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Apple releases the "world's fastest personal computer"

Posted by: dadmin on: 06/23/2003 10:25 PM [ Print | 86 comment(s) ]

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bdohmen SMP Sailor Posts: 671 Joined: 2001-10-26

#23416 Posted on: 06/24/2003 02:31 AM GIMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE | MSI 875 Neo | P4 2.4C | 1024MB PC3200 | WD Raptor |

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questionlp the Cowardly Tech Posts: 323 Joined: 2002-02-14

#23417 Posted on: 06/24/2003 02:49 AM It looks like Apple/IBM are following nVidia's path of using HyperTransport for the connection between the north and the south bridges: Per http://www.apple.com/powermac/architecture.html: The HyperTransport protocol integrates the Power Mac G5 [http://closedsrc.org/] My Rig: 2x 2.4GHz Xeon, 1GB PC2700, Supermicro X5DAL-TG2, ATI AIW 9000, SB Audigy 2 Plat/EX, 2x 80GB 7200.7's, Plextor 40x and 8/20, Pioneer 106D, Antec 1000AMG, Enermax 460W EPS-12V

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sAvAgE69 Unregistered

#23418 Posted on: 06/24/2003 02:55 AM All it needs is a FX 5900 Ultra But what a SHWEEEEEEEET Machine

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get quad Unregistered Posts: 3017 Joined: 2001-05-11

#23419 Posted on: 06/24/2003 03:28 AM Question: I'm about to get our graphic designer a new mac. Will the current OSX Jaguar apps run on the new OSX Panther or would I have to buy totally new 64-bit apps once Panther rolls around? Anybody? "Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back into the same box." - von Goethe "Those who despise science and learning are not anti-elitist. They are morally and intellectually slothful people who are secretly envious of the educated and the cultured." - Hitchens http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kndX3tVxCt8

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questionlp the Cowardly Tech Posts: 323 Joined: 2002-02-14

#23420 Posted on: 06/24/2003 03:48 AM 32-bit applications will continue to run in Panther as it would in Jaguar. The PPC 970/G5 processor used supports both 32-bit and 64-bit PowerPC applications (kind of how the AMD64 processors can run 32-bit and 64-bit x86 applications). 32-bit applications will most likely be limited to the 4GB memory barrier and will run in it's own memory space (at least somewhat isolated from 64-bit applications). ... at least, that's my understanding. [http://closedsrc.org/] My Rig: 2x 2.4GHz Xeon, 1GB PC2700, Supermicro X5DAL-TG2, ATI AIW 9000, SB Audigy 2 Plat/EX, 2x 80GB 7200.7's, Plextor 40x and 8/20, Pioneer 106D, Antec 1000AMG, Enermax 460W EPS-12V

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Ertaz Registered User Posts: 299 Joined: 2001-11-18

#23421 Posted on: 06/24/2003 04:14 AM I just tried to order 1(just for fun) and the estimated ship date was August. Oh well, nothing like another apple "pre-release" of technology. SX1040 clone |Soltek SL-K8AN2E-GR| A64 3200+ @2.42| 512Mb KVR PC3200 | XFX 6800 GT| WD 250GB HDD 8mb Cache |SB Audigy|16xToshiba DVD |4x NEC DVD-R| HP P1100 21" Trinitron| WINXP "Consulting- If you're not part of the solution there's good money to be made in prolonging the problem" Despair.com 2002 Collection

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AssKoala Anti-Zealot @ GATech Posts: 3302 Joined: 2002-01-02

#23422 Posted on: 06/24/2003 04:19 AM OOoooOOOooo, looks like Apple may well become a contender again . Me Webpage | If you always think like an expert, you'll always be a beginner. | "A handful of knowledgeable people is more effective than an army of fools" -Writing Secure Code, 2nd Ed.

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vlads #1 in 2CPU distr. folding Posts: 232 Joined: 2001-12-22

#23423 Posted on: 06/24/2003 04:30 AM Looking at the system diagram, they have a PCI-X HT tunnel, with two 100MHz slots (133 with only one card plugged in), and one 133MHz slot. I wonder if they are using the AMD 8131 PCI-X HyperTransport tunnel on their motherboards? That would surely explain all those rumors of AMD-Apple cooperation. Wouldn't make much sense for Apple to reinvent the wheel here. Anyone else know of any other PCI-X HT tunnels in existence besides the 8131? Iwill MPX2, 2x Barton @ 16*133=2133MHz, 1024MB Reg ECC DDR, Radeon 9700 pro, 4x 40GB Maxtor D740X in RAID10 on 3ware 7410, 500W EPS12V PSU, unstable ATM ...

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putty_thing runs a lan party :) Posts: 77 Joined: 2001-10-21

#23424 Posted on: 06/24/2003 04:30 AM i've gleemed from /. and the official spec that apple isn't playing entirely fair - when the benches were run on an intel compiler the dual xeons beat the apple - worth bearing in mind. (the apple benches were on gcc) note, i'm not claiming i worked the above out hence the fyi performance aside, apple have certainly done it again on the aesthetics.

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LRSeriesIII Aspiring Rocket Scientist Posts: 1120 Joined: 2002-08-29

#23425 Posted on: 06/24/2003 04:32 AM I'm wondering if this means their dual G4's will become affordable, and if so when? As for performance, it all looks good (very good), but I want to see some more reviews and information than just what Apple has on their site. ->Computers ->Folding for team 3074

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proffesso Winner of the Internet Posts: 1485 Joined: 2001-06-25

#23426 Posted on: 06/24/2003 04:36 AM suprisingly cheap too. I mean, sure you'll still have to get more ram, and some quick disks. but by apple standards, quite cheap. Shake on mac is looking pretty damn tasty now! james, chasing tokyo girls

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spikegifted I do what? Posts: 6131 Joined: 2000-07-24

#23427 Posted on: 06/24/2003 04:41 AM Look at the awesome spec of this bad boy: :eek: - Dual 2.0 GHz 64-bit PowerPC G5 - Dual Independent 1 GHz front-side buses - 512MB 400 MHz Dual Channel (128-bit) DDR :cool: - 8 DIMMs, 8GB maximum memory - 160GB Serial ATA hard drive - AGP 8X Pro graphics slot - RADEON 9600 Pro-64MB DDR - 3 PCI-X slots (one 64-bit 133 MHz, two 64-bit 100 MHz) I want one of these, please... spikegifted.net "At the very beginning of the 19th century chemists generally thought that compounds from living organisms were too complicated in structure to be capable of artificial synthesis from non-living things, and that a 'vital force' or vitalism conferred the characteristics of living beings on this form of matter." Well, how wrong were they? So much for dogma...

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elec999 Registered User Posts: 1268 Joined: 2003-01-31

#23428 Posted on: 06/24/2003 04:44 AM looks sweet it will run seti smootly does it support any m$ os or only mac os hehe? i know linux can be installed on it !!give me !! !!give me!! [BOTH BOINC][SETI@HOME][2CPU TEAM][http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_126915_project0.gif

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Tafinho Registered User Posts: 6 Joined: 2002-05-26

#23429 Posted on: 06/24/2003 04:47 AM HUGE PILE OF BENCHMARKETING!! Official data from SPEC ( www.spec.org) According to Apple : int_base_rate dual G5 2ghz = 17.2 dual Xeon 3Ghz = 16.7 P4 3.0 = 10.3 In the real world P4 3.0 = 13.8 dual Xeon 3Ghz = 21.7 dual opteron 1.8G = 25 (no comments) fp_rate_base dual G5 2Ghz = 15.7 dual Xeon 3Ghz = 11.1 P4 3ghz = 8.1 In the real world dual xeon 3ghz = 16.7 p4 3Ghz = 13.6 dual opterion 1.8G = 24.7 (no comments again...) Int_base G5 2Ghz = 840 xeon 3ghz = 646 p4 3Ghz = 693 In the real world p4 3ghz = 1213 ( ABSOLUTLY NO COMMENTS!!!) xeon 3ghz = 1053 What a huge pile of crap... it makes me sick :mad:

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elec999 Registered User Posts: 1268 Joined: 2003-01-31

#23430 Posted on: 06/24/2003 05:01 AM Originally posted by Tafinho HUGE PILE OF BENCHMARKETING!! Official data from SPEC ( www.spec.org) According to Apple : int_base_rate dual G5 2ghz = 17.2 dual Xeon 3Ghz = 16.7 P4 3.0 = 10.3 In the real world P4 3.0 = 13.8 dual Xeon 3Ghz = 21.7 dual opteron 1.8G = 25 (no comments) fp_rate_base dual G5 2Ghz = 15.7 dual Xeon 3Ghz = 11.1 P4 3ghz = 8.1 In the real world dual xeon 3ghz = 16.7 p4 3Ghz = 13.6 dual opterion 1.8G = 24.7 (no comments again...) Int_base G5 2Ghz = 840 xeon 3ghz = 646 p4 3Ghz = 693 In the real world p4 3ghz = 1213 ( ABSOLUTLY NO COMMENTS!!!) xeon 3ghz = 1053 What a huge pile of crap... it makes me sick :mad: so apple is lying to sell yur product just any other comp which really pissed me thats why i dont trust benchmarks [BOTH BOINC][SETI@HOME][2CPU TEAM][http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_126915_project0.gif

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ambit LoveYourFruit Posts: 1243 Joined: 2000-10-15

#23431 Posted on: 06/24/2003 07:19 AM I Just want to see some RC5-72 #'s

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Insp. Gadget Registered User Posts: 89 Joined: 2003-04-17

#23432 Posted on: 06/24/2003 08:28 AM Originally posted by putty_thing i've gleemed from /. and the official spec that apple isn't playing entirely fair - when the benches were run on an intel compiler the dual xeons beat the apple - worth bearing in mind. (the apple benches were on gcc) Not only that, but they used a cutomized version of GCC for the Mac and used a standard version of GCC for the Pentium. From the report: For the Mac: "* Installs Apple's version of the GCC compiler (version 3.3 build 1379)" ... For the Dell: "* Downloaded GCC version 3.3 (gcc-3.3.tar.gz) from http://gcc.gnu.org" Nice to see such impartial and reliable information coming from Apple's marketi^H^H testing department. I've actually seen some people write that "this is fairer because it uses the same compiler". Yeah, right. I'm sure 99% of Windows software is compiled with GCC... :rolleyes: Design-wise, I think it's ugly as hell, but as long as it gives Intel / AMD a reasonable run for their (our?) money, it's welcome. Now I think the real question is... when will Apple finally ship a real mouse with their computers?

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Insp. Gadget Registered User Posts: 89 Joined: 2003-04-17

#23433 Posted on: 06/24/2003 09:14 AM Originally posted by proffesso Shake on mac is looking pretty damn tasty now! Ah, the choice... http://eyeonline.com/specialindex/dflinuxlink.html No idea if they'll have an Opteronimized version, though.

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guru Moving to 64-bits Posts: 194 Joined: 2001-05-11

#23434 Posted on: 06/24/2003 09:41 AM Originally posted by questionlp 32-bit applications will continue to run in Panther as it would in Jaguar. The PPC 970/G5 processor used supports both 32-bit and 64-bit PowerPC applications (kind of how the AMD64 processors can run 32-bit and 64-bit x86 applications). 32-bit applications will most likely be limited to the 4GB memory barrier and will run in it's own memory space (at least somewhat isolated from 64-bit applications). ... at least, that's my understanding. I just reviewed the documentation posted on Apple's website. You are correct. 32-bit PPC copatability is assured. Just like AMD64. Plus Panther has built-in Samba and interoperability with Active Directory. In other words, it plays nice on MS networks. Got an Opteron or Athlon64? Sign up at PlanetAMD64, the unofficial homepage for AMD64 technology. News, reviews, and discussion forums.

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dagamore SMP Guru Posts: 2339 Joined: 2002-12-23

#23435 Posted on: 06/24/2003 09:42 AM In a related side note, Intel released the 3.2 GHz p4 (800fsb with HT of course) , so intel still has the fastes cpu on the market 3.2ghz, too bad it is only a 32bit proc http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/processors/pentium4/index.htm?iid=Homepage+STT_p4320_03ww26& are you folding for team 2cpu (3074) yet. " Mal Pericolosam Libertatem Quam Quietum Servitum" : "Better Liberty with Danger, than Peace with Slavery".

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proffesso Winner of the Internet Posts: 1485 Joined: 2001-06-25

#23436 Posted on: 06/24/2003 09:48 AM choice indeed, although I havent used DF since they got rid of the tile layout. / still, just put up a valiant fight for mac on the dlf. lots of 'im uber pro pc' on there... chasing tokyo girls

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Joey Jo Jo Jr. Registered User Posts: 80 Joined: 2002-01-16

#23437 Posted on: 06/24/2003 01:21 PM Now I think the real question is... when will Apple finally ship a real mouse with their computers? Steve already said you only need one button. mkay?

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proffesso Winner of the Internet Posts: 1485 Joined: 2001-06-25

#23438 Posted on: 06/24/2003 01:26 PM use a wacom. bliss. chasing tokyo girls

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SMPN00B Registered User Posts: 123 Joined: 2002-10-23

#23439 Posted on: 06/24/2003 04:49 PM The line also features the industry

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spikegifted I do what? Posts: 6131 Joined: 2000-07-24

#23440 Posted on: 06/24/2003 04:55 PM Originally posted by Joey Jo Jo Jr. Steve already said you only need one button. mkay? He forgot to mention "The Force"... spikegifted.net "At the very beginning of the 19th century chemists generally thought that compounds from living organisms were too complicated in structure to be capable of artificial synthesis from non-living things, and that a 'vital force' or vitalism conferred the characteristics of living beings on this form of matter." Well, how wrong were they? So much for dogma...