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C|Net has a short article up this morning discussing Intel's upcoming release of its Nocona processor.

The 32/64-bit functionality of Nocona and Opteron are similar. Tom Halfhill, an analyst at Microprocessor Report, has even asserted that Intel patterned part of its technology after AMD's. Whether Intel borrowed or not, a licensing agreement means the chip giant does not have to pay royalties to its competitor.

Take a look. We hope to be testing Nocona, of course.

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#29819 Posted on: 06/16/2004 08:38 PM I've been waiting for this forever. When it comes out, I would really like to see a benchmark comparing... Dual Noconas The current Dual Xeon's (533FSB) Dual Opterons

spazoid Registered User Posts: 108 Joined: 2004-04-29

#29820 Posted on: 06/17/2004 03:00 PM Me too ! I cant wait to see if this thing is gonna beat the dual opteron ! If it doesnt I'll have to get dual opteron.. and I really dont wanna do that :P Q6600, Asus P5B-Deluxe, 2x 2GB Corsair PC6400, Inno3D GeForce 285 , Corsair HX520W, Antec P182 Adaptec 31605: 4x Samsung T166 500GB (RAID-5), 2x Seagate 7200.7 200GB (RAID-1)

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#29821 Posted on: 06/18/2004 05:42 AM I'd like to see some benchmark for both Windows XP 64-bit and Linux platform on this so called "EM64T". HFU

rmn oh my, it's huge! Posts: 6013 Joined: 2002-01-26

#29822 Posted on: 06/18/2004 07:10 AM Originally posted by HFU I'd like to see some benchmark for both Windows XP 64-bit and Linux platform on this so called "EM64T". With most benchmarks, you'll be comparing mainly the drivers or the compiler, not so much the OS itself. RMN ~~~

HFU SMP Guru Posts: 2000 Joined: 2002-06-15

#29823 Posted on: 06/18/2004 08:40 AM I meant running some benchmark on those OS (Windows/Linux) platforms. HFU

stmok23 Registered User Posts: 798 Joined: 2002-02-02

#29824 Posted on: 06/18/2004 12:17 PM I just wanna see a "EM64T vs AMD64" article and see how they perform. Sempron (Socket 754): 2x Abit NF8-V (nForce3 250Gb) and ASRock K8SLI-eSATA2 (ULi M1697) Dual CPU love: Supermicro P6DBE (i440BX), PIIIDRE (i840), 2x PIIIDR3 (i840), 4x ASUS P3C-D (i820), and ACorp 6A815EPD1 (i815EP) OSs?: Linux, Solaris and BSDs.

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#29825 Posted on: 06/19/2004 08:25 PM Originally posted by stmok23 I just wanna see a "EM64T vs AMD64" article and see how they perform. Me too! :cool: I heard that THG have been working on it for quite some time and they'll benchmark a dual Xeon "Nocona" 4.0GHz with 1066MHz FSB (overclocked ofcourse) with dual-DDR533 and compare it with a single Opteron "SledgeHammer" 140 (1.4GHz) with 600MHz HyperTransport (downclocked ofcourse) with single-DDR200. Guess who wins? Overclocking is a blast! Do I smell something burning?

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#29826 Posted on: 06/19/2004 09:08 PM I wouldn't get too excited, here's what Microsoft senior vice president Bob Muglia thinks: Paul: Are you seeing any difference between AMD's [64-bit] stuff and Intel's stuff? BM: Yes. [Smiles] Paul: Would you care to clarify that? [Laughs] BM: Well, AMD has done a good job ... [Laughter] Paul: OK, I realize these companies are both important partners... BM: I think both have invested very heavily... and I'm sure that customers will be happy with either solution. Paul: All righty. [Laughter] BM: Are there differences? Yes, there are differences. Paul: OK, so how do these companies differentiate their 64-bit products? BM: So there are some things that AMD's done that Intel hasn't done, and I'm sure Intel will continue to invest here, and will do a really good job. AMD led the way on this one. There's no doubt they led the way on this one. Paul: Right, I thought [AMD64] was going to be the orphaned [microprocessor] of the decade, the next Alpha... BM: Oh I didn't think so. But do you know why I knew? Because of Dave. Paul: Dave Cutler. BM: Yeah, Dave's been all over this. Dave worked really closely with to design the chip. He was trying to get something that was really compatible and the problem that we have is that we want to support all of our applications totally. And these chips are just fantastic for that. Paul: It's almost like applying the Microsoft model to [chip design]. The Itanium, for all its advantages, just couldn't run the installed base very well. BM: No, not very well. Paul: And it never will. BM: No. Paul: So back to the core OS benefits, again, where do these figures come from? BM: This is our own internal testing. It's pretty remarkable what we're seeing, actually. JP: There are a bunch of address space limitations to 32-bit, and for certain functions, you just can't get enough memory. And with a certain amount of memory, all of those limitations go away. BM: We tested a whole series of workloads. Some workloads just don't benefit that much from 64-bits, but having a 64-bit OS on there gives you certain advantages. Other workloads--even if the app is 32-bit--you get a huge benefit by running on a 64-bit OS. The most extreme example of that is Terminal Services, because it's limited by the amount of physical memory in the box, in terms of capacity. So even though it's a 32-bit application, you can now run a lot more users simultaneously on the same computer. And these four-ways are blazingly fast. Paul: These machines we're talking about. Are they out now, or are they coming out next year? BM: They're out now. They're AMD Opteron systems. Paul: Physically, what is the limit on RAM in today's Opteron machines? BM: It's a physical limit based on the number of slots in the machine. I'm not sure what that number is. I'm sure you're going to see 32 GB systems today. Paul: Compared to 4 GB on 32-bit. BM: Well, three really. Though we can do more with address extensions. It's funky. Kind of like the old school memory extender stuff. Paul: Ah yes, the good old days. But wow, 32 GB of RAM this year. BM: Sure. I mean, we've actually built Itanium systems [at Microsoft], these really big systems, with a terabyte of RAM in them. What really caught my eye is this (simplified) -Are there any differences between AMD64 and EM64T -Yes -What -AMD has done a good job. Does that mean Intel hasn't? Cause the difference between the two is that AMD has done a good job. The whole interview http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/muglia_winserver.asp

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