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I noticed this Business2.com link the other day while surfing the [H]. It seems the author has a bone to pick with Intel (I guess it is an article about AMD, but) as he really blasts the Itanium, but he does bring up some interesting points.

Rob Enderle, an analyst with the Giga Information Group, thinks Itanium's situation is more dire. "Intel's arrogance is coming back to haunt them," he says. "Customers don't view Intel as a company that listens to them. Every time Intel changes its technology, an IT department has to change its software, and they don't like that." Sanders, characteristically, puts it more colorfully: "Why would the customers want to scrap billions of dollars of software so that Intel could be the only provider of hardware. Hello?"

I linked directly to the last page of the article, but there is some really good stuff in there. Start at the beginning right here.

07/03/2002 03:18 PM: Itanium II benchmarks by dadmin
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07/03/2002 03:48 AM: Itanium 2 Stuffs by Hooz
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05/29/2002 02:27 PM: Intel Itanium 2 Benchmarks by Hooz
VR-Zone has a few benchmarks of Intel's "Next Big Thing (TM)", the Itanium 2. Their server appears to be getting hammered right now, but here's the skinny: Intel has released some benchmarks...

12/04/2000 03:01 PM: Itanium Technology Guide by duke
If you feel like your brain is in gear already this morning. Go checkout Sharkey's Itanium Technology GuideThe Itanium was not designed for small systems, it is intended for 1 to 4000 processor work...

07/19/2000 02:48 PM: Itanium Delayed by dadmin
TechWeb is reporting that Intel is having trouble getting good yields on their newest processor and have delayed its release till at least Q4:"As we got closer to product time, the task of fixing...

05/18/2000 03:47 PM: RedHat releases 64-bit Itanium Linux by J0rdan
Zdnet is reporting that RedHat released an alpha version of a complete IA 64 Linux distribution to developers yesterday. Its the first public code release of a full-blown 64-bit Linux from kernel to a...

01/15/2000 02:54 PM: 32 way Itanium servers by Micah
It looks like Hitachi is planning to produce a 32 way server based on the Itanium IA-64 processor from Intel. The server will consist of 8 nodes with 4 processors each. The thing that makes these so...

rmn oh my, it's huge! Posts: 6013 Joined: 2002-01-26

#19691 Posted on: 11/09/2002 11:43 PM And if it flops they can call it the Moron. RMN ~~~

Duronimo Registered User Posts: 263 Joined: 2002-01-28

#19692 Posted on: 11/10/2002 12:10 AM How about "Spenderon" or "the 64bit celeron?" Iwill MPX2 - XP2800+ (x2) - 512mb PC2700 - Radeon X850

Murdock Captain Posts: 1398 Joined: 2001-07-02

#19693 Posted on: 11/10/2002 09:17 PM They'll probably give it a decent codename before it's released, like "Big Dog" but then they'll change it to something stupid for the public, like "Nonaron" The pathetic state of our government will never change unless we stop electing politicians and start electing public servants. Remember: There was once a time when the term "politician" had a very negative connotation.

questionlp the Cowardly Tech Posts: 323 Joined: 2002-02-14

#19694 Posted on: 11/11/2002 06:13 AM I've got one for the multi-core Hammers (if they ever materialize): Ididaron It starts with an I (like Itanium) and ends in "ron", like Athlon, Duron (which I always think of Durian when I read it) and Opteron; and it fits the them of "dogs" since it's a dog sled race with multiple dogs. I swear... this is going to be my last post in this thread on the subject of dogs and AMD codenames [http://closedsrc.org/] My Rig: 2x 2.4GHz Xeon, 1GB PC2700, Supermicro X5DAL-TG2, ATI AIW 9000, SB Audigy 2 Plat/EX, 2x 80GB 7200.7's, Plextor 40x and 8/20, Pioneer 106D, Antec 1000AMG, Enermax 460W EPS-12V

rmn oh my, it's huge! Posts: 6013 Joined: 2002-01-26

#19695 Posted on: 11/11/2002 07:54 AM BTW, in Portuguese "duro" means "hard", so "Duron" sounds a bit like... "Hardon". Continuing along that path (and especially if Intel decides to go with "Sexium"), I think AMD will eventually release... the Clinton. On a more serious note: does anyone know who exactly are these "Newisys" guys? Is it an AMD spin-off or is it an independent company? RMN ~~~

anatolli Registered User Posts: 1885 Joined: 2001-07-18

#19696 Posted on: 11/11/2002 08:41 AM I've never heard of them until now, but this looks pretty interesting. anatolli Edit: And if you aren't averse to quicktime this is also pretty cool. Life's short and hard, like a body building elf

Amayze SMP Newbie Posts: 7 Joined: 2002-10-21

#19697 Posted on: 11/12/2002 06:53 AM Opteron seems to be a nice choice. Wouldn't mind building a few computers with Opterons in 'em. Check out this article from the October 28th issue of E-Week: October 28, 2002 Cray Supercomputer to Tap AMD's Opteron By Ken Popovich Cray Inc. is building a supercomputer for the U.S. government that will use Advanced Micro Devices Inc.'s upcoming 64-bit Opteron processor. Seattle-based Cray is building the supercomputer for the U.S. Department of Energy's Sandia National Laboratories as part of a $90 million agreement. The deal marks the first system-design win for the Opteron, which will start shipping in the first half of next year. The endorsement by Cray, which has designed some of the world's most powerful computers, lends much-needed credibility to AMD's unproven 64-bit processor. More than 10,000 Opteron chips will be used to power the supercomputer, said AMD officials in Sunnyvale, Calif. Cray said its computer, to be called Red Storm, will deliver a theoretical peak performance of 40 trillion calculations per second. The system, expected to be operational in 2004, will also feature a low-latency, high-bandwidth, three-dimensional interconnect network based on AMD's HyperTransport technology. Cray officials said the new computer will be at least seven times more powerful than Sandia's current ASCI Red supercomputer. Though many of today's high- performance computing systems are based on cluster technology, in which multiple servers are designed to operate as a single unit, Sandia preferred a single-system design by Cray. "We expect to get substantially more real work done, at a lower overall cost, on a highly balanced system like Red Storm than on a large-scale cluster," said Bill Camp, director of computers, computation, information and mathematics for Sandia, in Albuquerque, N.M. While Cray's decision to use the AMD processor in a new supercomputer is clearly an endorsement of the Opteron's performance capabilities, the deal will likely hold less sway with corporate computer users, who traditionally are more conservative in their buying choices, one analyst said. "The national labs are always looking for the biggest bang for their buck, and they're not particularly sensitive to how established the suppliers are or what other people are doing. If they think it's a good technical solution to a problem, they go with it," said Nathan Brookwood, an analyst with Insight 64, in Saratoga, Calif. "It is an endorsement of what AMD is doing from a technical standpoint, but commercial buyers hate to be the first guy on the block with new technology." Cray's decision to use AMD chips marks a public relations setback for Intel Corp.'s 64-bit Itanium processor, which the Santa Clara, Calif., chip maker has long touted as the best processor for delivering the kind of high performance needed to power supercomputers. In addition, AMD's Opteron poses a threat to Intel's popular 32-bit Xeon processors. While AMD has yet to disclose how much it will sell the Opteron for, sources said the chip will be priced at about $1,500, or about the same price as Intel's Xeons and nearly $3,000 less than the Itanium. Synopsis: Supercharged Computer Cray is building a supercomputer for Sandia to handle 3-D simulations of weapons tests and other scientific problems Processor brand 64-bit Opteron, to be introduced in the first half of next year Number of CPUs More than 10,000 Peak performance 40 trillion calculations per second (40 teraflops)* Total project cost $90 million Scheduled deployment 2004 * Will be the fastest computer in the United States and second-fastest in the world. Sources: Sandia, Cray and AMD

Mr Bill two by two, hands of blue Posts: 2946 Joined: 2002-02-16

#19698 Posted on: 11/12/2002 11:26 PM Originally posted by Amayze ...Processor brand 64-bit Opteron, to be introduced in the first half of next year Number of CPUs More than 10,000 Peak performance 40 trillion calculations per second (40 teraflops)* Total project cost $90 million Scheduled deployment 2004 * Will be the fastest computer in the United States and second-fastest in the world. Sources: Sandia, Cray and AMD Wow! I did not realize the performance was expected to be that high. The SETI project with 4 million users (not all active) cranks out 45.5 Teraflops. My SMP rig [URL="http://personal.palouse.net/billshan/ghost.htm#A_Merlin"]Merlin[/URL]

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