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2CPU.com » News » September 2001 » Itanium: Pipelines, Cache and Power Suckage...

Itanium: Pipelines, Cache and Power Suckage...

Posted by: Jim on: 09/04/2001 01:02 AM [ Print | 7 comment(s) ]

Out of utter boredom, I hit Slashdot. What did I find? Well an article on Intel's Itanium for one.
McKinley, by contrast, uses an eight-stage core pipeline. Intel contends, however, that the faster front-side bus, more on-chip memory and redundant logic resources will more than make up for the processor's lag in clock speed.
Oh come on guys, everyone knows clockspeed is everything. Heh.
integrating Level 3 cache on-chip was the best way to address latency. In that way, memory access to the outermost cache memory can be done in 12 clock cycles compared with 24 cycles when the Level 3 is a separate device, providing 32 gigabytes per second of bandwidth. And Intel isn't stopping there: Madison, a pin-compatible follow-on to McKinley, will have 6 Mbytes of L3 cache.
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anatolli
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#11292 Posted on: 09/04/2001 06:26 AM
Hmmm, this is uncommon of intel. Telling us that clock speed isn't everything, and that IPC is. If you look at it upside down and in a mirror (You B5 fans will know what I mean), they are saying that the P4 with it's 20 stage pipeline isn't all it's cracked up to be. What I want out of all of the hoopla with AMD's PR rating, and now Intel saying that clock speed isn't everything is a new way of rating processors. Not something as intangible as AMD's proposed system, something more scientific:
Performance = Frequency * IPC.
That would be something more tangible and scientifically measurable. Maybe I am being naive, but it would seem to be the most reasonable approach to rating processors.
BTW, does anybody know the IPC of the P4 and Athlon processors?

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SP
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#11293 Posted on: 09/04/2001 07:03 AM
One thing you have to remember is that Itanium is a totally different architecture which doesn't have to conform to the x86 instruction set. I'm not all that up on all the details of Itanium but I thought it was suppose to be highly parallel supporting parallel instructions and that sort of thing. If that's the case then it's easy to see why this would be the case with Itanium. One thing you have to keep in mind when your talking about instructions per clock cycle is how much each instruction does. For example if you had instructions that worked on multiple pieces of data all at the same time then youd be doing in one instruction what might require several instructions on a different platform.

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Vuke69
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#11294 Posted on: 09/04/2001 09:53 AM
The McKinley team, comprising Intel and Hewlett-Packard Co., also tossed in more redundant resources. McKinley will sport 11 issue ports instead of nine for the existing Itanium, and six integer units vs. Itanium's current four. As for registers, McKinley has 328, more than three times Sun Microsystems Inc.'s UltraSparc3 processor, Hammond said.


Holly crap, six integer units, 328 registers, massive on die L3(six meg)! People talk bad about the Itanic, but it shure sounds like they are headed in the right direction (with McKinley) to make an outstanding server processor.

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grindles
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#11295 Posted on: 09/04/2001 02:23 PM
Cough Jim_ cough apostrophies cough http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~mjo199/gubbins/apostrophe/

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#11296 Posted on: 09/04/2001 02:31 PM
On a less pedantic note:

Assuming that the itanium, being 64 bit, has twice the number of transistors in it to the P4, then it will generate twice as much heat, so they solve this by reducing the clock speed a bit.

Probably an over simplification I know...

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#11297 Posted on: 09/04/2001 07:18 PM
One thing you have to remeber is that it just came out. Intel hints that there will be faster versions later on. This is a very different structure than the x86. It can do way more instructions per clock cycle, has no known limit of memory so far, and has massive cache. Right now you won't see huge performance gains because motherboards only have like 4 to 64 Gigs of memory. Maybe later when the motherboards develop more and people have limitless money to spend you will see improvements, but right now there is a limited market.

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LilPigBoy
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#11298 Posted on: 09/05/2001 08:01 AM
Well I have had my hands on an Itanium system, just had one again today actually... I don't really get to play with them that much, but I was wondering why is the memory bus speed only 100 mhz? The thing has 2 gigs of 133 in it and the bus is only 100, wouldn't that put a big hit on performance? I do know that the system throws out alot of heat though...

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