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Itanium sales fall $13.4bn shy of $14bn forecast

Posted by: duke on: 03/30/2005 03:12 PM [ Print | 49 comment(s) ]

The Register is reporting that Itanium sales over the first two quarters have fallen quite short of initial projections.

In actual fact, total Itanium sales have hit $606m through the first two quarters of this year. Other organs might mock a $13.4bn miss by one of the world's leading number crunching firms but not us. We'll let you come to your own conclusions about such an incredible gaffe.

You can read the entire report over here.

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#35467 Posted on: 03/31/2005 06:45 PM

Originally posted by terminalrecluse
Itanium 2 has its uses. For every Itanium 2 cpu you could get 2 or even 3 Opteron cpus. So...that could be the reason.

...or not. Think about what happens to the importance of CPU price when you go and buy 128GB of RAM and 10 or so disks to go with your nice new server.

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#35468 Posted on: 03/31/2005 06:49 PM

Originally posted by Hooz
*waits for duraid*

hi!!

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#35469 Posted on: 03/31/2005 07:47 PM

Originally posted by LRSeriesIII
I am sorry, but it seems a little arrogant to run in screaming "No! You see, all these stupid people buy product A, but I know better, and what they should be buying is product B. Curse you, manufacturer of product A, for providing an alternative to the vastly superior product B."

Welcome to the free market.

You're American right? Thanks to the free market, you got to eat McDonalds for 30 years because, like it or not, that's what the market chose and now your entire population is basically the biggest bunch of overweight slobs on the planet. Great!!

Look, I fully appreciate the point you're trying to make, but here's the deal. A lot of the time, probably even most of the time, people can make good choices in a free market, especially when they have a good understanding of what it is they are buying, and good information on the different choices available. Things like basic education and personal experience help with the understanding bit. Things like advertising police (anyone remember the G5 ads being banned in the UK?) and even tools like pricewatch and froogle help with the bit about information.

Research has shown time and time again that _without_ a supportive environment, people can and will make bad decisions, choosing things that can even affect their health or outright kill them, sometimes for as simple reasons as "everyone else is doing it, so I think I will too." If you really need me to dig up references on this (some of the pretty shocking experiments done with children in the 40s, for example), i'll get around to it one day. Some of the studies that have been done are good for a laugh, others are downright scary.

Anyway, getting back to the topic at hand - Itanium sales - the story is quite different. First of all, we can forget about 95% of the computing market to begin with - the people who don't want to spend more than $2000 on a computer. They can't even afford Itanium gear so the choice between itanium and x86 is already made for them. End of story. If, looking at the first Itanium prices in the late 90's, IDC thought that Itanium was going to reach that price point by 2004 (if ever), well, I think that says more about IDC than it does about Itanium.

Moving up the market a bit, let's say the $5k to $50k range, the story is a bit different. The sort of people buying hardware in this range are likely to have some good knowledge about computer hardware (much better than the average person, but by no means expert - consider the typical "PHB" who wants to buy luxurious PCs for all the executives in the office, say...), but what do they see in the market? Here, AMD is chanting as loud as it possibly can, "you want to buy our x86-64 solution, because it gives you top performance on your current programs, and it's VERY EXPENSIVE to change your software, you know. Backwards compatibility is SUPER IMPORTANT!!!!!" PHB or not, if all you're going to spend on computer equipment is between $5k to $50k (this means you're an individual or a SMALL business), this argument is directly relevant. Relative to such an outlay on hardware, it might actually cost you several thousand $$ in programmer time to tune software on POWER, Itanium or whatever other alternative you had in mind, assuming you even have a programmer handy to begin with! And if you don't even have any serious IT people, backwards compatibility probably _is_ very important. Change your software and end up screwed? Not good!!

Jumping to the very high end - $1million and up - what's the market like here? Well, you have very good market information because it's likely that companies like HP, IBM, SGI and so on will send representatives out to you, to tell you everything they can about their products (and dirt on the competitors too but you can always laugh that off, since you'll be talking to the competitor the very next day....) You also have good information on the product specifics since heck, you can almost certainly at least try out your software on a system, usually with the free assistance of a company engineer, if not even get a trial system on loan, to see how well it runs your actual workload. And if you're spending more than $1m on hardware, I should damn well hope you have a good understanding of computer hardware, but you'd be surprised how many times have chosen their server vendor based on whether or not there are sexy flashing LEDs on the front. No, really. I could name names but I won't.

Now, it's not unconceivable that one day Intel might go "**** you AMD, we're going to own you now", and start shipping 90nm Itanium 3s with twin Pentium M cores on-chip for $500. Don't laugh, it doesn't cost them that much to make the chips and adding the PM cores would only increase the die size by 10%. Pentium M cores run pretty cool too, they could certainly take care of the power issues.

But apart from being a bad business strategy, guess what AMD would do if Intel tried this. They'd run to the federal trade commission screaming "NO FAIR, Intel are selling massive chips for less than we can make them, they're abusing their market position, intel are evil, help usl!!!!!!!". And they'd be right to do so - Intel would be abusing their market position and it'd certainly be bad news if AMD had to close up shop.

But what would happen in the long run? Eventually, Intel could drop the Pentium M cores from two to one as more software got tuned for the Itanium cores and people saw their software running faster on Itanium. After another 10 years, they could drop the P-M (or whatever) x86 hardware completely, since the x86 software emulation gets you a pretty decent fraction of 'real' x86 speed nowdays.

And what would we be left with? A completely changed architecture (for the better, even AMD engineers have publicly agreed on this, go watch that stanford lecture series again CAREFULLY if you don't believe me). _All_ consumers would be better off in the long run. But getting from here to there is impossible if *all* you have to go by is the free market.

And finally, remember that we're completely forgetting what Intel want to do with Itanium. They control this, remember. They have some control over the clock speeds of their x86 and Itanium parts. They control their marketing. And last but not least, they control the price. If all Intel want to do with Itanium is tackle the (pretty lucrative) high-end market, they can do so, and a very easy way to do that is price them out of consumer reach.

So basically, all the register article proves is that IDC did not correctly predict how much Intel wanted to turn Itanium into a mass-market product (if at all). Make no mistake, Intel is a ******* giant compared to AMD and they could, if they wanted, be assholes and force Itanium on everyone. Me? I'm OK with the situation today. x86 gets a boost, so everyone wins at the low-end. And on the high end, I get to use Itanium instead of being stuck with Alpha (RIP, but Itanium is better) or POWER. I'm happy! Judging by the pretty huge rate at which Itanium sales have been growing, I'm not the only one either.

Maybe Itanium (or some future derivative of it) will become prevalent in the mass market one day? Who knows. Baby steps first.

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#35470 Posted on: 03/31/2005 08:38 PM

Good post duraid.

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#35471 Posted on: 03/31/2005 10:46 PM

Duraid, a thoughtful and informative post that gives some perspective.

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#35472 Posted on: 03/31/2005 11:16 PM

Originally posted by Pariah
Intel was not in the wrong when they planned and developed Itanium. AMD came along and screwed it up by releasing the technologically inferior patchwork

Congratulations, you've managed to out-Duraid Duraid.

The Itanium exists. It's manufactured and marketed by the biggest CPU maker in the world, and aimed at markets where AMD's presence was less than 1%.

If it's losing market even to (what you call) "a technologically inferior patchwork", released by a firm 50 times smaller, then it must really stink. :rolleyes:

The technological self-righteousness argument is ridiculous. In the real world, "superior" doesn't mean "looks neater on paper". It means it lets people get the job done faster, or cheaper, or both. Just because something is complicated and confusing, that doesn't mean it's "inferior" (look at biology - complete mess, but amazingly efficient).

I looked at the IA64 programming guides when they were released (in the 19th century), and thought everything looked very neat, but some things were oddly missing (ex., shift-rotate operations, IIRC). I could see a few, very specific, cases where it would blow everything else away, but I wondered how well it would perform in the real world. Still, I made a mental note to keep an eye on it, and even made plans to buy a couple of Itaniums if they turned out to be any good at 3D rendering. They didn't. AFAIK, only one relevant renderer was actually released for IA64, and the performance was very poor.

You can blame the compilers (as some Mac people do

), but that's pointless. No-one is going to rewrite any major software suite from scratch in IA64 assembly. The compilers are part of the package.

And it seems not even the people at Intel were able to port and optimise existing software for the Itanium. Despite the Itanium's supposedly brilliant FPU, Intel spent the last 5 years working with a couple of companies to optimise their 3D renderers for... the P4. I'm pretty sure that companies that buy render farms consisting of thousands of nodes would be an interesting market for the Itanium... if it could really deliver better performance than the competition.

As it exists today, the Itanium is not the best solution for 99% of people (and I'm talking about people that could afford it, if it gave them any advantage, not people that use their systems to read e-mail).

Looking at Intel's statements about the IPF over the years, it's pretty obvious they had bigger plans for it (or maybe the people making those statements were deliberately lying to push their share price up). If those plans failed it was either due to Intel's own incompetence (at marketing, development, support, understanding what their clients really wanted, etc.) or due to the fact that their competitors (IBM, Sun, AMD, etc.) released better products.

If there was absolutely no competition, then maybe Intel could "push the Itanium down our throats", and force everyone to adopt it. Maybe that was their mistake (it certainly has parallels with Intel's recent history in other market segments). But there was (and still is) competition. If they want the Itanium to reach a broader market (which I suspect some departments inside Intel do, and some don't), they will have to offer a better product. Having tons of money helps (a lot), but it's no guarantee of success.

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#35473 Posted on: 03/31/2005 11:35 PM

Originally posted by Mr Bill
Duraid, a thoughtful and informative post that gives some perspective.

Take that back right now. You know as well as I do that there's no place for "thoughtful and informative" on the internets.

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#35474 Posted on: 03/31/2005 11:57 PM

We just bought 600 opterons. We considered Itaniums but they were slower and much more expensive. That was a pretty easy business decision.

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#35475 Posted on: 04/01/2005 01:08 AM

Originally posted by glitch
We just bought 600 opterons. We considered Itaniums but they were slower and much more expensive. That was a pretty easy business decision.

Slower for what YOU wanted to do is what you meant, right? :-)

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#35476 Posted on: 04/01/2005 01:39 AM

Originally posted by Pariah
You just said it yourself. We know for a fact these predictions came from IDC, and there is no evidence provided that Intel had anything to do with them. So why should we assume that Intel had something to do with them? Even if they were consulted on them, I can guarantee you Intel didn't tell IDC we expect $14 billion in sales in 2004, and IDC said, "OK, we'll run with that and use that as our prediction."

We should not assume Intel had something to do with the predictions. We should not assume Intel had nothing to do with the predictions. I did not say that Intel did have anything to do with the IDC predictions, merely that nowhere in the articles linked to (that I could find) was it explicitly stated that Intel did not have anything to do with those predictions. Your post, which I quoted, stated that Intel had nothing to do with the IDC predictions. Unless you have a source for that information, you are the one making the assumption here, not me.

I think we are trying to get at the same idea, something Duraid mentioned as well: the Register articles both are written in a manner which implicates that Intel has failed by not meeting IDC predictions. In fact, it is IDC that has failed to accurately predict Intel's performance. It only really becomes a failure on Intel's side if they intended to achieve higher sales numbers with the Itanium, but we have no information on that in these links (again, that I noticed), so unless someone wants to post such information it really is unfair to fault Intel here.

Originally posted by Pariah
Absolutely not, you completely misunderstood that as well as incorrectly defined free market. I am not saying I know which is superior while no one else does. I'm saying I know which one is superior and so does everyone else, but the free market has intentionally chosen the inferior product knowing it is inferior in the pursuit of money. x86-64 is undoutedly cheaper to implement now because it isn't as radical a change as IA64, and won't require a complete overhaul of the systems everyone uses today. So while it is inferior, it's not nearly as risky from a financial standpoint in the near term. The free market isn't about the best product, or what's best for the consumer. The free market is about one thing, money, and as soon as possible please.

Welcome to the real free market.

How am I misunderstanding the free market? I never stated that the free market was about anything other than making money. In fact, I was going to add something along those lines to my post but figured it was too much rambling and was unnecessary.

Intel is a for-profit, publicly owned company. Intel's goal in life is to have earn as much money as possible for its owners. Nothing else. This is not "good" or "bad," it is just the way the system is set up.

I think that the biggest problem with this whole discussion is an issue with definitions, specifically the definition of "success" and "failure." What does/would it mean for Intel's Itanium to be a success? What about a failure?

You can define a specific goal, and then discuss Intel's performance in achieving that goal. It does not really matter what the goal is. I can say that Itanium is a failure at increasing my height, because (to the best of my knowledge) I am just as tall as I would be if Itanium was never created. Of course, that is a pretty stupid statement on my part, not because it is wrong, but because there is no way Itanium could have made me taller (well, I suppose I could tape a few to the soles of my shoes, but you get my point). Yes, Intel's Itanium has failed with respect to making LRSeriesIII taller, but it was never intended to make LRSeriesIII taller, so there is really no point in even making the statement. Another example is that a 747 makes a terrible submarine. Again, the statement is true, but stupid.

The only really relevant and fair goal to judge Itanium against is the ultimate goal it was created to meet. The ultimate goal is not performance, performance per dollar, performance per watt, or anything else like that. The ultimate goal of the whole Itanium project, just like everything else Intel does, is to positively affect Intel's bottom line. Now, a particular product does not have to necessarily be profitable to positively affect a company's bottom line (the iTunes software is probably not very profitable, by itself, for Apple, but it helps enable greater and/or more profitable iPod sales).

Performance, performance per dollar, performance per watt, market share, et cetera...these are all interesting criteria to use when comparing Itanium to other processors, but the do not, in and of themselves, determine success.

Let me use an example. Let's say I own a car company, and my company produces a sports car. Now, if lots of people want sports cars and are willing to pay any price for them, and there is a lack of competition in the segment, my sports car is likely to make my company a lot of money and be a success.

However, pretend another car company comes in with a car that is inferior to mine in every technical way, slightly cheaper, but comes in red, while my sports car only comes in green. If all of the people buying sports cars care first and foremost about the color of their car (and cannot get their cars repainted), and all other features are considered secondary, sales of my sports car are going to go way down. It does not matter that I have a technically superior product.

If my company is relying on profits from sales of this sports car to prop up its bottom line, then my sports car is likely to be a failure due to competition. It will not positively influence my company's bottom line. On the other hand, if my sports car solidifies the image of my car company as a performance leader, causing sales for my other (profitable) models to surge to such an extent that the additional profits are greater than any losses generated the production of my sports car, then my sports car is a success, despite having low sales.

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#35477 Posted on: 04/01/2005 02:38 AM

That would make sense if the Itanium, the P4 and the Xeons were all "cars". The first one is more like a lorry. And I doubt anyone buys Mercedes cars based on how good their 16-wheelers are. In fact, I suspect most people have no idea how good their 16-wheelers are, or even that they make 16-wheelers.

Before the Opteron (and the "AMD-compatible" Xeons), the Itanium was in a completely separate market (now they overlap a bit). And even then it was having some problems gaining market share.

I doubt Itanium's existence by itself increases the sales of Intel's other CPUs. That's what the "Extreme Edition" chips are for. Impossible to find, insanely overpriced, but great for marketing. The success (or lack of it) of IPF is pretty much a self-contained thing.

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#35478 Posted on: 04/01/2005 08:43 AM

Originally posted by RMN:
You can blame the compilers (as some Mac people do

), but that's pointless.

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#35479 Posted on: 04/01/2005 08:50 AM

Originally posted by rmn
Congratulations, you've managed to out-Duraid Duraid.

The Itanium exists. It's manufactured and marketed by the biggest CPU maker in the world, and aimed at markets where AMD's presence was less than 1%...

...If there was absolutely no competition, then maybe Intel could "push the Itanium down our throats", and force everyone to adopt it. Maybe that was their mistake (it certainly has parallels with Intel's recent history in other market segments). But there was (and still is) competition. If they want the Itanium to reach a broader market (which I suspect some departments inside Intel do, and some don't), they will have to offer a better product. Having tons of money helps (a lot), but it's no guarantee of success.

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Amen, couldn't have said it better...

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#35480 Posted on: 04/01/2005 10:30 AM

Originally posted by rmn
That would make sense if the Itanium, the P4 and the Xeons were all "cars". The first one is more like a lorry. And I doubt anyone buys Mercedes cars based on how good their 16-wheelers are. In fact, I suspect most people have no idea how good their 16-wheelers are, or even that they make 16-wheelers.

Before the Opteron (and the "AMD-compatible" Xeons), the Itanium was in a completely separate market (now they overlap a bit). And even then it was having some problems gaining market share.

I doubt Itanium's existence by itself increases the sales of Intel's other CPUs. That's what the "Extreme Edition" chips are for. Impossible to find, insanely overpriced, but great for marketing. The success (or lack of it) of IPF is pretty much a self-contained thing.

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Sorry. I did not mean to imply that Itanium in any way boosts the sales of other Intel processors. I was merely filling out all of the possibilities in my example (not meant to be a direct analogy).

My point was only that the real measure of general success or failure for Itanium is how it ends up affecting Intel's bottom line. Whether it has a positive impact or negative impact, I do not know.

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#35481 Posted on: 04/01/2005 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Jim_
Slower for what YOU wanted to do is what you meant, right? :-)

Sort of.

They were slower for what everyone here wanted to do.

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#35482 Posted on: 04/01/2005 12:24 PM

Originally posted by rmn
I looked at the IA64 programming guides when they were released (in the 19th century)...
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Like over a hundred years ago?

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#35483 Posted on: 04/01/2005 04:49 PM

Originally posted by glitch
We just bought 600 opterons. We considered Itaniums but they were slower and much more expensive. That was a pretty easy business decision.

Out of sheer curiosity, can you tell me what you are running on those systems, and a bit more about the systems you bought/considered? (basic specs, ballpark prices etc)

Also, when you were evaluating performance, did you try to figure out _why_ the Itaniums were running slower? 600 opterons and the boxes/ram/whatever to go with them is a fair bit of money, you'd certainly be in SGI Altix territory. Are these 600 systems networked? Tightly?

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#35484 Posted on: 04/01/2005 04:51 PM

Originally posted by glitch
They were slower for what everyone here wanted to do.

You mean post to 2cpu forums while listening to mp3s and downloading porn? OK, you certainly don't need an Itanium for that.

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#35485 Posted on: 04/01/2005 10:14 PM

Originally posted by Kimpsu
Like over a hundred years ago?

Feels that way. It's called sarcasm.

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#35486 Posted on: 05/02/2005 11:04 PM

Originally posted by rmn
Congratulations, you've managed to out-Duraid Duraid.

The Itanium exists. It's manufactured and marketed by the biggest CPU maker in the world, and aimed at markets where AMD's presence was less than 1%.

If it's losing market even to (what you call) "a technologically inferior patchwork", released by a firm 50 times smaller, then it must really stink. :rolleyes:

The technological self-righteousness argument is ridiculous. In the real world, "superior" doesn't mean "looks neater on paper". It means it lets people get the job done faster, or cheaper, or both. Just because something is complicated and confusing, that doesn't mean it's "inferior" (look at biology - complete mess, but amazingly efficient).

I looked at the IA64 programming guides when they were released (in the 19th century), and thought everything looked very neat, but some things were oddly missing (ex., shift-rotate operations, IIRC). I could see a few, very specific, cases where it would blow everything else away, but I wondered how well it would perform in the real world. Still, I made a mental note to keep an eye on it, and even made plans to buy a couple of Itaniums if they turned out to be any good at 3D rendering. They didn't. AFAIK, only one relevant renderer was actually released for IA64, and the performance was very poor.

You can blame the compilers (as some Mac people do ), but that's pointless. No-one is going to rewrite any major software suite from scratch in IA64 assembly. The compilers are part of the package.

And it seems not even the people at Intel were able to port and optimise existing software for the Itanium. Despite the Itanium's supposedly brilliant FPU, Intel spent the last 5 years working with a couple of companies to optimise their 3D renderers for... the P4. I'm pretty sure that companies that buy render farms consisting of thousands of nodes would be an interesting market for the Itanium... if it could really deliver better performance than the competition.

As it exists today, the Itanium is not the best solution for 99% of people (and I'm talking about people that could afford it, if it gave them any advantage, not people that use their systems to read e-mail).

Looking at Intel's statements about the IPF over the years, it's pretty obvious they had bigger plans for it (or maybe the people making those statements were deliberately lying to push their share price up). If those plans failed it was either due to Intel's own incompetence (at marketing, development, support, understanding what their clients really wanted, etc.) or due to the fact that their competitors (IBM, Sun, AMD, etc.) released better products.

If there was absolutely no competition, then maybe Intel could "push the Itanium down our throats", and force everyone to adopt it. Maybe that was their mistake (it certainly has parallels with Intel's recent history in other market segments). But there was (and still is) competition. If they want the Itanium to reach a broader market (which I suspect some departments inside Intel do, and some don't), they will have to offer a better product. Having tons of money helps (a lot), but it's no guarantee of success.

RMN
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A brilliant post, very clear and to the point and how very true. No wonder why Intel tried to kill Alpha, PA-RISC and MIPS to make "Lebensraum" for Itanic. Like the nazis, Intel didn't succeed with their evil plans as the good guys stopped them in the act :cool:

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#35487 Posted on: 05/03/2005 05:00 AM

Intel aren't the bad guys. They (especially certain parts of their management) are just the very stupid, very stubborn, very arrogant guys.

The Itanium is not all it was cracked up to be, but Intel's management and marketing dug it into a hole much deeper than it deserved, and out of which I doubt it will ever manage to climb.

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#35488 Posted on: 05/03/2005 07:12 PM

It could end up being a very small money spinner for them none the less, especially considering the coverage they have gotten as a result of SGI's supercomputers and planned usage in high end workstations.
Still strange that there hasn't been a reply from resident Itanium expert yet? Would like to hear his take on things.

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#35489 Posted on: 05/03/2005 08:06 PM

Applications written to take advantage of the Itanium's strong points (as with any other cpu) would make the chip useful, I guess it's just a matter of a chip far too specialized to be a mainstream workhorse.

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#35490 Posted on: 05/07/2005 11:37 PM

Originally posted by rmn
The Itanium is not all it was cracked up to be, but Intel's management and marketing dug it into a hole much deeper than it deserved, and out of which I doubt it will ever manage to climb.

Yeah, I guess you're right. Also check out this very interesting commentary about the future of Itanic:

Wither Itanium?

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