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Microsoft's Xbox 360, Sony's PS3 - A Hardware Discussion

Posted by: duke on: 06/24/2005 02:02 PM [ Print | 31 comment(s) ]

Anandtech has decided to spend some time discussing the hardware that will power the next generations of consoles, namely Sony's PS3 and Microsoft's Xbox 360.

The Xenon processor was designed from the ground up to be a 3-core CPU, so unlike Cell, there are no disabled cores on the Xenon chip itself in order to improve yield. The reason for choosing 3 cores is because it provides a good balance between thread execution power and die size. According to Microsoft

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#36979 Posted on: 06/24/2005 06:37 PM

I stopped reading the source article, as soon as I stumbled onto words like Synergistic and the like... Hype R Us are producing its usual load of manure.

What I'm trying to say is, you buy a console for its games, and not its hardware. It's nice to see multi-core CPUs and CELLs in there, together with various connectivity options, but SHOW ME THE GAMES!!!

I remember the countless hours spent on Spy vs Spy, on my 8bit Atari 800XL. Or the arcade hit Xenon, on the Amiga platform. Nowadays, consoles are much like those pop & hip hop idols: looks and style but no content, no value. It's all about the bling bling (read: blinkenlights).

Ok, maybe I'm being a little too harsh now (just woke up and had only one cup of coffee). It will be interesting to see the new generation of consoles compete. But wouldn't it be nice to see consoles mareketed for their games, and not just their 'looks'.

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#36980 Posted on: 06/24/2005 07:49 PM

I skimmed through it, as usual there's good information (the shit they quoted) and the usual horseshit incorrect information (their analysis).

Oh well, it will be decided by software as it always has been. The XBox and Gamecube were both more powerful than the PS2 but we know the winner last time.

As for this round, I'm betting MS will continue gaining ground especially with the pain in the ass programming for the PS3 looks to be.

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#36981 Posted on: 06/24/2005 10:30 PM

remember, the ps2 was also a pain to program for as well...that didnt slow it down however.

being a games developer, (artist in this case) im always very interested in the specs, as thats what allows us creative freedom (or closer to in anycase...you never really get what you want in the end).

Glock, if you think there arent any games out there with content, i suggest you take a closer look at whats out there. i love to play mario world time and again, but i also thought Metal Gear Solid 3 was damned near perfect too.

ps, everyone buy a xbox360 and project gotham 3

even though im all for ps3....gotta plug what pays the bills

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#36982 Posted on: 06/25/2005 04:02 AM

Originally posted by proffesso
remember, the ps2 was also a pain to program for as well...that didnt slow it down however.

being a games developer, (artist in this case) im always very interested in the specs, as thats what allows us creative freedom (or closer to in anycase...you never really get what you want in the end).

Glock, if you think there arent any games out there with content, i suggest you take a closer look at whats out there. i love to play mario world time and again, but i also thought Metal Gear Solid 3 was damned near perfect too.

ps, everyone buy a xbox360 and project gotham 3

even though im all for ps3....gotta plug what pays the bills

I have my xbox360 and Elder Scrolls IV on reserve. It's going to be a merry christmas at my place.

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#36983 Posted on: 06/25/2005 05:18 AM

okay...after reading the article, yeah its just the same spiel over again, however I found this gem

'The advantage is quite tangible in that PS3 developers will be able to store a minimum of 23.3GB of data on a single disc, which could mean that they could use uncompressed video and game content, freeing up the CPU to handle other tasks instead of dealing with decompression on the fly. '

sweet...uncompressed 1080p running off a disc....dont know about you guys, but when was the last time you saw a disc capable of 150mbps+ ?

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#36984 Posted on: 06/25/2005 07:39 AM

Originally posted by proffesso
Glock, if you think there arent any games out there with content, i suggest you take a closer look at whats out there. i love to play mario world time and again, but i also thought Metal Gear Solid 3 was damned near perfect too.

Please tell me when I said there aren't any games out there with content. Let me rephrase: games should be about gameplay. By referring to Mario World, you seem to agree. Anybody knows that Nintendo sold lots of consoles because of the Mario series.

Also, I appreciate eye candy like any other, so I'm certainly not attacking your line of work (you being a game artist). Eye candy is fine, hardware specs are fine also, paper launches we can live with... But SHOW ME THE GAMES!

I'll care about specs when I build my next workstation. If and when I go out to buy a console, I'll see what games are available and decide on that info.

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#36985 Posted on: 06/25/2005 07:49 AM

As for this round, I'm betting MS will continue gaining ground especially with the pain in the ass programming for the PS3 looks to be.

I'm not sure it will be as big a pain in the ass as everyone makes out. Certainly PS3 code will not be what you would call portable

. I have a mate who works with Havok based in Dublin. He was saying to me that much of the difficulty in developing for one platform or the other will be solved by the quality of dev kit tools provided to developers.
Personally I reckon that there is too much hype about the PS3 being difficult to program for, I think its just going to be a different way of programming like it was with the PS2. I believe that the PS3 architecture opens up new avenues to developers to take game development in ways it hasn't gone before. For example the SPE's are ideal for physics. I believe and hope that physics will become more an integral part of game play than what it is now.

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#36986 Posted on: 06/25/2005 02:28 PM

Originally posted by i_wolf
Personally I reckon that there is too much hype about the PS3 being difficult to program for, I think its just going to be a different way of programming like it was with the PS2.

The PS2 was a bitch to program for, that's why games for it looked pretty bad to begin with and got better with time. Sony's dev kits are generally regarded as not being that good.

It just means that we'll have "blah" generation games again with noticeable differences in quality.

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#36987 Posted on: 06/26/2005 06:43 AM

Why is everyone buying in to this Xbox 360 Crap? The technology is already outdated! Why not have a little patience and wait for the PS3? The Cell Arch is far more advanced!

Just my two cents

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#36988 Posted on: 06/26/2005 07:09 AM

Originally posted by sAvAgE69
Why is everyone buying in to this Xbox 360 Crap? The technology is already outdated! Why not have a little patience and wait for the PS3? The Cell Arch is far more advanced!

Just my two cents

If we're buying the device based soley on its technology, you're right. IBM's Cell processor sounds pretty cool. However, this is a game machine, its more about the gaming experience than the technology that provides that experience... XBOX was also outclassed by most poeple's PCs also, but the xbox sales didnt suffer (that much) from competition from PCs.

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#36989 Posted on: 06/26/2005 09:17 AM

Lets review the following:
AMD vs. Intel
Xbox vs. PS2 vs. Gamecube
*nix vs. NT
GUI vs. CLI
perl vs. python vs. C vs. C++ vs. .NET vs. Java

We all pick and choose our battles, but we really care more about the outcome more than anything else. I own three of the "main" consoles (and a flurry of past stuff). Here are my thoughts on the existing systems:
1. PS2 is a fine system, but it's age is well showing in the online department (PS2 slim is nice, but the Xbox has online out of the box from day 1). Many of the games that exist on both the PS2 and Xbox show the PS2 is slower and has lower quality textures (games that were ported from PS2 to Xbox are slower on the Xbox -- Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance).

2. GameCube is a GREAT system. It's stylish, the controller is my favorite (minus the lame Z button, just drop that POS) between all three systems AND the games are good. The quantity of the titles is far less (much less developer support), but many of the first party (and well tied third party) Nintendo titles are pretty good.

3. Xbox has some of the best "mainstream" games on the system you can get your hands on. While the Xbox didn't have the major backing of many Japanese companies (and didn't get games like Katamari), it's existing game base quality is pretty good. What I find to be my favorite aspects of the Xbox are it's sheer # of HDTV games (720p and 1080i games are very impressive) AND it's Live! capability.

Comparing the next console systems shouldn't really be done until we see 3rd generation titles (18-24 months post release date) -- the first few really are the existing games + nicer graphics (as seen in previous game launches).

Just show me the games. Show me an A+++ title, on HDTV, connected to the internet, while I'm playing with another 50 humans, on the screen, at the same time, while holding 60fps (something the existing consoles cannot do). Give me Battlefield2, on the next gen systems, but increase the # of people per sever to over 100, while still running on HDTV.

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#36990 Posted on: 06/27/2005 08:26 PM

I will never buy an xbox as it is just an emachine not a real console. Anandtech is just an article for a spoiled little brat whom doesn't know anything.

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#36991 Posted on: 06/27/2005 08:42 PM

Originally posted by voltron
I will never buy an xbox as it is just an emachine not a real console.

How do you figure.

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#36992 Posted on: 06/27/2005 10:42 PM

Originally posted by AssKoala
How do you figure.

I think he's just trying to be an architecture geek.

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#36993 Posted on: 06/28/2005 03:12 AM

What does it matter if console company X uses off the shelf PC components to make a console with? Is that not what the first Xbox was? I do not think having an outlandish or even exotic architecture makes any console any more a console than the next one.

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#36994 Posted on: 06/28/2005 03:14 AM

Originally posted by terminalrecluse
What does it matter if console company X uses off the shelf PC components to make a console with? Is that not what the first Xbox was? I do not think having an outlandish or even exotic architecture makes any console any more a console than the next one.

Well sometimes a specialized architecture goes a long way for rendering graphics. For example having a dedicated vector proccessor on chip.

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#36995 Posted on: 06/28/2005 03:15 AM

Yeah, but it shows (again) the lack of innovation.

Originally posted by Occupant
If we're buying the device based soley on its technology, you're right. IBM's Cell processor sounds pretty cool. However, this is a game machine, its more about the gaming experience than the technology that provides that experience... XBOX was also outclassed by most poeple's PCs also, but the xbox sales didnt suffer (that much) from competition from PCs.

Since you raised the point of "game machine", Sony's CEO wants the PS3 to be more than that. He's considering implementing Linux as part of PS3. (Rumours say it'll be packaged with the hard disk option).

I think both Sony and MS want their next generation consoles to be more than just "toys" or game machines.

Looking at the 360, this seems more like a device for online, HTPC, and gaming. Where as PS3 is going for the best gaming experience it can offer (It does have online facilities, but I'm not sure how well it would stack up against competiting solutions), as well as plans to implement Linux on it to be more "computer like".

Both seem to be marketed as the "centre for your home entertainment" consoles.

Programming-wise, PS3 is much better than the PS2. (I don't know why AssKoala is assuming PS3 is gonna be as difficult as PS2 game development).

EPIC was able to develop the technical demo (using Unreal Engine 3) for Sony's PS3 presentation in 2 months after receiving the PS3 Dev Kit. Tim Sweeny (EPIC's boss) says it uses the same concepts as PC game development. (OpenGL, Nvidia's Cg and AEGIA's API.)

So if you're well-experienced in building PC games, its not all too difficult to port or develop games onto the PS3 or back to PC. (of course, you need to make some changes and tweaks so its more optimal on the PC).

Both Xbox 360 and PS3 uses AGEIA's API for physics and multithreading game development. (Although there doesn't seem to be PPU in either console, Physics can be emulated software-wise...Depending on the tools for the Cell, it could be possible to manually assign Physics processing to a few of the SPEs...Not sure...Maybe it'll just distribute among the SPEs available).

I'm going with the Sony solution for six reasons.

(1) I don't like Microsoft and their continue efforts of trying to be the main database or hub for everyone's personal information.

(...Come to think of it, I've never liked Microsoft).

(2) PS3 is likely to have a Linux distro since Sony's CEO is pushing for it, wanting PS3 to be "more than just a toy".

(3) Metal Gear Solid 4.
(Solid Snake kicks ass! It continues on from MGS2...MGS3 was a "history thing" telling how the original Snake became the "Big Boss".)

(4) 24 : The Game
(Its for PS2, but since PS3 is backward compatible with PS2 games).

(5) Mobile Suit Gundam
(based on the original Gundam story...One of my favourite anime).

(6) KillZone

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#36996 Posted on: 06/28/2005 03:53 AM

Originally posted by stmok23
Programming-wise, PS3 is much better than the PS2. (I don't know why AssKoala is assuming PS3 is gonna be as difficult as PS2 game development).

It's a completely new architecture using a completely new (from the point of view of developers) technology. Every one of the new consoles is going to be more difficult to program for than they have been in the past. They are all heavily parallel systems now which has not been the case with previous generations of game consoles. Regardless of whether it's whether its "hard to program for", which is completely relative, it is a new system and will make things difficult to begin with.

While Epic and Unreal3 may have it down, most developers don't. I give Epic a lot of respect because I've yet to see them beaten by technology.

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#36997 Posted on: 06/28/2005 04:38 AM

Originally posted by stmok23

Programming-wise, PS3 is much better than the PS2. (I don't know why AssKoala is assuming PS3 is gonna be as difficult as PS2 game development).

EPIC was able to develop the technical demo (using Unreal Engine 3) for Sony's PS3 presentation in 2 months after receiving the PS3 Dev Kit. Tim Sweeny (EPIC's boss) says it uses the same concepts as PC game development. (OpenGL, Nvidia's Cg and AEGIA's API.)

One full time programmer working two months is 320 hours assuming no over time and no vactions. Epic I'm sure has at least four programmers working on different parts of the project. 320*4 is 1280 hours. I would sure hope that in that amount of time a production house can have a good demo out.

Originally posted by stmok23

So if you're well-experienced in building PC games, its not all too difficult to port or develop games onto the PS3 or back to PC. (of course, you need to make some changes and tweaks so its more optimal on the PC).

Who are you to pass off as fact whats easy and whats not if you only have gossip and speculation to go off of?

I don't know about you but I'd be annoyed if some nobody from off the street told me my job was easy wtf am I complaining about.

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#36998 Posted on: 06/28/2005 05:38 AM

Originally posted by stmok23
Yeah, but it shows (again) the lack of innovation.

What innovation? Ready to run Linux? Has been done before!... Backward-compatibility? Has been done before!... Mediacenter functions? Also been done before!

Originally posted by stmok23
I think both Sony and MS want their next generation consoles to be more than just "toys" or game machines.

And then you say this:

Originally posted by stmok23
Looking at the 360, this seems more like a device for online, HTPC, and gaming. Where as PS3 is going for the best gaming experience it can offer (It does have online facilities, but I'm not sure how well it would stack up against competiting solutions), as well as plans to implement Linux on it to be more "computer like".

So, what's it gonna be. Console/game-station or multi-function entertainment device?

Then this:

Originally posted by stmok23
Both seem to be marketed as the "centre for your home entertainment" consoles.".

Which is, again, confusing... What do you prefer?

Originally posted by stmok23
I'm going with the Sony solution for six reasons.

(1) I don't like Microsoft and their continue efforts of trying to be the main database or hub for everyone's personal information.

(...Come to think of it, I've never liked Microsoft).

(2) PS3 is likely to have a Linux distro since Sony's CEO is pushing for it, wanting PS3 to be "more than just a toy".

(3) Metal Gear Solid 4.
(Solid Snake kicks ass! It continues on from MGS2...MGS3 was a "history thing" telling how the original Snake became the "Big Boss".)

(4) 24 : The Game
(Its for PS2, but since PS3 is backward compatible with PS2 games).

(5) Mobile Suit Gundam
(based on the original Gundam story...One of my favourite anime).

(6) KillZone

(1) is just silly. I'm not going to waste neurons on thinking up a reply.

(2) so bundling Linux with a toy makes it a non-toy, suddenly? I see a pattern here...

(3) (5) (6) I can understand, but why not post these VALID (sort of) arguments on top of your post, it might have saved us all some time?

(4) upgrading to PS3 to emulate a game meant to run on its predecessor, is IMHO pointless (unless you don't have a PS2 already, but judging from your post...).

Can we please keep the fan-boy'ism to a minimum. This is not SlashDot.

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#36999 Posted on: 06/28/2005 12:55 PM

Originally posted by AssKoala
It's a completely new architecture using a completely new (from the point of view of developers) technology. Every one of the new consoles is going to be more difficult to program for than they have been in the past. They are all heavily parallel systems now which has not been the case with previous generations of game consoles. Regardless of whether it's whether its "hard to program for", which is completely relative, it is a new system and will make things difficult to begin with.

While Epic and Unreal3 may have it down, most developers don't. I give Epic a lot of respect because I've yet to see them beaten by technology.

OK, I see what you're aiming at now.

Originally posted by NightHawk
One full time programmer working two months is 320 hours assuming no over time and no vactions. Epic I'm sure has at least four programmers working on different parts of the project. 320*4 is 1280 hours. I would sure hope that in that amount of time a production house can have a good demo out.

Who are you to pass off as fact whats easy and whats not if you only have gossip and speculation to go off of?

And who are you to judge me by my comments?
I didn't pass that comment you picked off as fact, did I?

Did I say :
FACT : ITS EASY TO PROGRAM ON PS3.

Did I say that?

I based my comment on EPIC's experience and demonstration.

I did not speculate about EPIC's resources used in putting the demo together.

Originally posted by NightHawk
I don't know about you but I'd be annoyed if some nobody from off the street told me my job was easy wtf am I complaining about.

Unlike some people in the world, I don't get annoyed by such simple things in life or what other people think. They can think whatever the hell they want, for all I care.

You can complain about the weather or do something about it.

Originally posted by Glock
What innovation? Ready to run Linux? Has been done before!... Backward-compatibility? Has been done before!... Mediacenter functions? Also been done before!

Firstly, my comment Yeah, but it shows (again) the lack of innovation.

Was aimed at terminalrecluse's comment : What does it matter if console company X uses off the shelf PC components to make a console with? Is that not what the first Xbox was? I do not think having an outlandish or even exotic architecture makes any console any more a console than the next one.

So you call the Cell CPU a complete lack of innovation?

*Sarcasm*
Wow! IBM/Sony/Toshiba have done the Cell CPU before?! Why weren't we told about this before?!
*Sarcasm*

Originally posted by Glock

Originally posted by stmok23
I think both Sony and MS want their next generation consoles to be more than just "toys" or game machines.

And then you say this:

Originally posted by stmok23
Looking at the 360, this seems more like a device for online, HTPC, and gaming. Where as PS3 is going for the best gaming experience it can offer (It does have online facilities, but I'm not sure how well it would stack up against competiting solutions), as well as plans to implement Linux on it to be more "computer like".

So, what's it gonna be. Console/game-station or multi-function entertainment device?

Then this:

Originally posted by stmok23
Both seem to be marketed as the "centre for your home entertainment" consoles.".

Which is, again, confusing... What do you prefer?

The first comment is what I think.
The 2nd comment is what it seems to be. (What MS and Sony is aiming for).
The third comment is what they are marketed as.

Do I have to draw you a map?

Originally posted by Glock

Originally posted by stmok23
I'm going with the Sony solution for six reasons.

(1) I don't like Microsoft and their continue efforts of trying to be the main database or hub for everyone's personal information.

(...Come to think of it, I've never liked Microsoft).

(2) PS3 is likely to have a Linux distro since Sony's CEO is pushing for it, wanting PS3 to be "more than just a toy".

(3) Metal Gear Solid 4.
(Solid Snake kicks ass! It continues on from MGS2...MGS3 was a "history thing" telling how the original Snake became the "Big Boss".)

(4) 24 : The Game
(Its for PS2, but since PS3 is backward compatible with PS2 games).

(5) Mobile Suit Gundam
(based on the original Gundam story...One of my favourite anime).

(6) KillZone

(1) is just silly. I'm not going to waste neurons on thinking up a reply.

(2) so bundling Linux with a toy makes it a non-toy, suddenly? I see a pattern here...

(3) (5) (6) I can understand, but why not post these VALID (sort of) arguments on top of your post, it might have saved us all some time?

(4) upgrading to PS3 to emulate a game meant to run on its predecessor, is IMHO pointless (unless you don't have a PS2 already, but judging from your post...).

Can we please keep the fan-boy'ism to a minimum. This is not SlashDot.

(1) Really? Its silly? Have a good look at Microsoft's Passport idea and what kind of information it holds. If one is lacking the brain cells for a counter-comment, well then, that's their problem.

(2) You don't see what I'm gettin at.
Adding Linux adds an additional capability which allows "the toy" to be used in "non-toy" applications. So, in theory, you can turn a PS3 into a multi-function Linux-based server. How is that considered a toy? So servers are toys now?

(3 to 5) Save YOU time? How about you save yourself time and skip it the things that you find irrelevant?

Do you read every single word in a hardware review? Or do you save time and go straight to the point by looking at "test setup", "benchmarks" and "conclusion" sections? (even then you can skip the conclusion if you wish.)

There's no one by your monitor with a gun, pointing at your head, demanding you intake every single word on the screen, is there?

(4) How is it pointless? Do I own a PS2? Have I spent a dime on either Xbox or PS2 or even Nintendo consoles?

What the heck are you talking about fanboy-ism?

If this were Slashdot, I would say things like "BSD is dead", "Linux rules all", "Microsoft sucks", etc, etc.

Did I say "Microsoft sucks" in my above comments?

I said I didn't like Microsoft. So does this make me a Sony fan?

And just like how I've never invested a dime on the Pentium 4, I ain't gonna spend a dime on the Xbox 360. I don't care if everyone around me buys an Xbox 360.

There is no one forcing you to do anything. Its your money, you can do what you want with it. You can choose however you want to spend your money. If it meets your requirements, why would you care what I buy?

Just because someone thinks completely different from you, doesn't mean they're wrong or right or makes them a fanboy. Its individualism and about the freedom to choose what they want and express how they feel.

And last time I checked, 2cpu.com forums isn't a Communist State regulated by "YOU MUST INVEST IN MICROSOFT SOLUTIONS" or "BE PRO-MICROSOFT" to post.

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#37000 Posted on: 06/28/2005 09:16 PM

You can save your freedom of speech rants. As has been mentioned on a few occasion, this board, though not a communist state, is most certainly not some bastion of free speech. It is subject to the rules (and whims) of the owners and moderators. That being said, you can generally post whatever opinion you like.

You *do* come off like a fanboy or slashdotter becasue of the mildly inflamitory, very *irrelivant* comments that you added.

Trust me. No one cares if you like Microsoft or not.

"I don't like Microsoft or their business practices so I'm not buying an Xbox" would have sufficed. But you had to 1) Bring up their "lack of innovation." Who cares??? Especially in the context of this conversation? Not every company is innovative. Nor, do they have to be. If you can make a console with off the shelf parts that has games and gameplay as good or better than the competition why are the parts inside relevant? If they had some new uber graphics chip in there would that be innovative, or would they be cheating because, there just trying to do the "brute power" approach... or if they managed to make it play increadible games on a 80386, would that be innovative, or would they be cheating the public by using some crummy old processor? 2) You felt obligated to reference Microsoft's Passport system which also isn't very relevent to the thread.

You are correct that everybody is entitled to his/her opinion but the flip side of that coin is people are free to think you're a fanboy or a slashdotter for expressing your opinion in a particular fashion.

And if you want to consider a console with linux on it to be a "non-toy" that's fine, (entitled to your opinion and all) but I think it's a novelty at best. Of course if you want to run a linux distro on a console you could do that now, but... well, nevermind

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#37001 Posted on: 06/28/2005 10:22 PM

Put the word "Microsoft" and any other competing vendor in a thread and a flame is bound to happen. Sheesh. Whatever happened to civility?

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#37002 Posted on: 06/29/2005 01:20 AM

stmok23, I'm somebody that thinks you shouldn't be telling other people how easy their job is when you don't have a clue.:rolleyes:

For the record, I don't prefer anything but more hardware horsepower. Based on Sony's past two offerings I highly doubt they will have the best of the next generation in terms of performance. I'll pick one up used down the road for the games but I'm supporting the better hardware first.

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#37003 Posted on: 06/29/2005 01:36 AM

Originally posted by NightHawk
For the record, I don't prefer anything but more hardware horsepower. Based on Sony's past two offerings I highly doubt they will have the best of the next generation in terms of performance. I'll pick one up used down the road for the games but I'm supporting the better hardware first.

I believe the XBox360 and PS3 are fairly close in terms of power, it'd be silly to outright say one is better than the other. However, on paper it seems as if the PS3 has a lot of potential for power.

Of course, the Sega Saturn was more powerful on paper than the PS1 but the nature of its design, that is the fact that it was a parallel system, made it harder to program for and so the games for it didn't look generally as good as they did on the PS1. Games like Nights and Burning Rangers proved that it had powerful graphical capabilities, but a lot of good they did in the end.

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