2CPU.com » News » March 2005 » Microsoft, Intel: The Time For 64-Bit is Now

OSNews has posted a link to an article written by The Internet News which discusses a message from Intel and Microsoft to the developers of the world: Think 64-bit.

"The message is: Develop for 64-bits now. The transition is underway," Pat Gelsinger, a former CTO at Intel, said during his keynote at the Intel Developer Forum here. Gelsinger also said by the end of the year, about 100 percent of servers Intel ships will come with Intel's EM64T 64-bit addressing.

64-bit is NOW! You can read the entire article over here.

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#35009 Posted on: 03/04/2005 02:48 AM Heh, you've got to love that. Not a single mention of AMD. [url="http://www.2cpu.com"][size=1]2CPU.com[/url] - Because two are always better than one! [url="http://www.jimkirk.org"]jimkirk.org[/url] - Not a Myth any Longer. Just a Dad.[/size]

Joey Jo Jo Jr. Registered User Posts: 89 Joined: 2002-01-16

#35010 Posted on: 03/04/2005 04:17 AM That's because Intel has a little thing I like to call vision. AMD would NEVER have though to... oh wait nevermind..

Murdock Captain Posts: 1398 Joined: 2001-07-02

#35011 Posted on: 03/04/2005 04:22 AM Originally posted by Jim_ Heh, you've got to love that. Not a single mention of AMD. Well... aside from duke's subtle REFERENCE! The pathetic state of our government will never change unless we stop electing politicians and start electing public servants. Remember: There was once a time when the term "politician" had a very negative connotation.

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#35012 Posted on: 03/04/2005 05:22 AM Lemme Guess. According to M$ Intel made the *cough EM64T platform? I mean who is AMD? They just made the AMD64 platform called X86-64 :rolleyes: P.S. Linux has been supporting this for ohh 2 years or more? From the X86-64 Project. Fight on Brave soldiers Go M$ Go!

rmn oh my, it's huge! Posts: 6013 Joined: 2002-01-26

#35013 Posted on: 03/04/2005 07:43 AM Actually, the article does say: According to IDC analyst Roger Kay, it's a combination of Microsoft getting closer to finishing its Longhorn operating system, the completion of technologies like Intel's I/OAT and Virtualization, and AMD (Quote, Chart). "Intel is obviously trying to fight back the advances of [AMD's] Opteron,". And on the "related articles" there are links to several articles about AMD, namely: http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3468601 RMN ~~~

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#35014 Posted on: 03/04/2005 10:17 AM Originally posted by Jim_ Heh, you've got to love that. Not a single mention of AMD. man, that's what I am thinking. amazing what money can do for you. first intel publicly downplays AMD's 64bit efforts, then embrace it when the platform actually becomes rather popular. i mean, everyone seems to be ditching the Itanium, so why not use your muscle to make EM64T a household name. all to keep Dell and others from jumping on the AMD64 bandwagon. :rolleyes: well, one good thing about this is that 64bit, or more specifically x86-64 software will take off with the two market owners (hey, M$ and Intel are complimentary monopolies) fueling it's fire. A+ | MCSA | MCITP | CommVault CVSA/CVSE | VMware VCP 4 Heatware: Slaughter111

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#35015 Posted on: 03/04/2005 01:02 PM No-one has mentioned Apple here yet either, with their 64bit G5 CPU's... Xeon - Experiment: 2x SL6EP 2.4/400@3450+|PC-DL 1.04-B05 BIOS1009|2Gb GeIL Ultra-X PC3200 2-2-2-5| Gigabyte 6600GT Fanless Heatpipes|silent Samsung HD's|Antec Titan550|stock voltages|IWT+Agilent cooler| AMD - Experiment: Opteron165 1.8@2.25 CCBWE 0551WPMW|stock heatpipe HSF|HP/nVidia QuadroFX4500| Antec TPII 550W|Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe|4Gb Corsair TwinX2048-4000PT|2x Dell 2405FPW's|more 2 come..|

imposter nope, it's not me Posts: 379 Joined: 2001-12-10

#35016 Posted on: 03/04/2005 06:51 PM Is OS-X 64 bit yet?

Kimpsu Registered User Posts: 518 Joined: 2003-01-09

#35017 Posted on: 03/05/2005 02:55 PM Originally posted by Jim_ Heh, you've got to love that. Not a single mention of AMD. AMD wouldn't mention Intel, now would they? "Don't forget that Intel has these processors too, check them out before you buy ours!"

Slaughter111 Registered User Posts: 728 Joined: 2002-12-22

#35018 Posted on: 03/06/2005 09:20 AM Originally posted by Kimpsu AMD wouldn't mention Intel, now would they? "Don't forget that Intel has these processors too, check them out before you buy ours!" the point is that AMD essentially created the technology and had the marbles to take the leap. :eek: A+ | MCSA | MCITP | CommVault CVSA/CVSE | VMware VCP 4 Heatware: Slaughter111

rmn oh my, it's huge! Posts: 6013 Joined: 2002-01-26

#35019 Posted on: 03/06/2005 12:47 PM But AMD's version doesn't include the new Intel BlackMail

Kimpsu Registered User Posts: 518 Joined: 2003-01-09

#35020 Posted on: 03/06/2005 01:39 PM Originally posted by Slaughter111 the point is that AMD essentially created the technology and had the marbles to take the leap. :eek: It doesn't matter. If it were the other way around, AMD wouldn't mention Intel. Btw, who created x86? Does a certain company mention that?

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#35021 Posted on: 03/06/2005 11:06 PM Originally posted by Kimpsu It doesn't matter. If it were the other way around, AMD wouldn't mention Intel. Btw, who created x86? Does a certain company mention that? man, don't you get the point? intel totally downplayed the fact that AMD was developing this technology and also stated that this technology was not yet needed. and intel is supposedly a market leader. AMD did not downplay x86 technology and then turn around and embrace it in this manner, since that seems to be the rock you want to stand on. man, just say no... But AMD's version doesn't include the new Intel BlackMail A+ | MCSA | MCITP | CommVault CVSA/CVSE | VMware VCP 4 Heatware: Slaughter111

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#35022 Posted on: 03/06/2005 11:25 PM Well I just grabbed the latest XPpro64 beta (build 1433) from MS and it's just waiting for a 64bit system to try it out on I don't think I'll be able to build the system until late this year. The problem with OEM copies is that if you have to re-authenticate due to a reinstall or major hardware upgrade, Microsoft won't allow you to but will tell you to contact your computer vendor. Well that can be a problem if you are the OEM and you aren't on the approved list LOL. Iwill DH800, 2GB (2x1024) OCZ4002048PFDC-K 2.5-3-3-8-1t Dual Prestionia Xeons 2.4 M0 @1.50v 220Mhz 3.3GHz Location: 42.3 N 122.9 W Medford, Oregon, USA

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#35023 Posted on: 03/06/2005 11:59 PM Originally posted by audioaficionado The problem with OEM copies is that if you have to re-authenticate due to a reinstall or major hardware upgrade, Microsoft won't allow you to but will tell you to contact your computer vendor. Well that can be a problem if you are the OEM and you aren't on the approved list LOL. That's not true at all. Every copy of Windows I have is OEM and I've had to reactivate quite a few of them quite a few times over the phone without any such problems. I'd say that's the first time I ever heard something like that. Me Webpage | If you always think like an expert, you'll always be a beginner. | "A handful of knowledgeable people is more effective than an army of fools" -Writing Secure Code, 2nd Ed.

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#35024 Posted on: 03/07/2005 12:52 AM Same here. I didn't think most people that built their own computers actually went and bought a retail box of Windows, or am I wrong? Every Windows I have is an OEM disk, including XP. Never had a problem reactivating over the phone (well no problems regarding the OEM software that is).

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#35025 Posted on: 03/07/2005 08:57 AM Originally posted by imposter Is OS-X 64 bit yet? Bite your tongue!! Isn't it a riot that Apple loudly proclaimed to be first with 64-bit (they weren't by a long shot) and yet there is NO benefit because the primary OS for the platform (OS/X ) is still 32-bits? My configuration: Many hopelessly outdated SMP boxen. Any system which is shipping is already obsolete! u r lame if u insist on trying 2 b l337 by abbrev evythng u type when asking ppl 4 hlp. kiddie speak is teh sux. ppl. plz stop teh kiddie speak. thx. hint: aol kiddie speak is not cool, it just makes people not want to read your post.

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#35026 Posted on: 03/07/2005 12:18 PM Some libraries are 64-bit and it supports running 64-bit software. What exactly is OS X lacking that you need, in terms of 64-bit support? Have you ever even used a G5? :rolleyes: I.G.

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#35027 Posted on: 03/07/2005 02:27 PM 1. Remove OS/X drive from your precious 64-bit G5 2. Install drive in 32-bit G4 3. Boot system Some libraries are 64-bit? By your standards, then, Win3x was a 32-bit OS because you could install the optional Win32S library on it and run freecell. Whoop-de-shit, it didn't solve memory management limitations, improve the ability to compute larger numbers more easily, or do much else for that matter. Oh, and to answer your question: Aside from administering OS/X server, repairing G5s, configuring render farms, no, I haven't used a G5. :rolleyes: My configuration: Many hopelessly outdated SMP boxen. Any system which is shipping is already obsolete! u r lame if u insist on trying 2 b l337 by abbrev evythng u type when asking ppl 4 hlp. kiddie speak is teh sux. ppl. plz stop teh kiddie speak. thx. hint: aol kiddie speak is not cool, it just makes people not want to read your post.

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#35028 Posted on: 03/07/2005 08:06 PM ...it didn't solve memory management limitations, improve the ability to compute larger numbers more easily... But KimVette, that's exactly what the 64-bit code in OS X does do. Oberon - Dual P166 - 256 MB Hurricane - Dual Itanium 733 - 1 GB Celestia - Dual Itanium 2 1.4 GHz - 2 GB Titania - Dual 1.6GHz Athlon MP - 2 GB Gladiator2 - I7 920 - 6 GB

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#35029 Posted on: 03/08/2005 01:51 AM Ah, so it magically gives 64-bit address space and floating point math to all of your current 32-bit apps through the magic of thunking (hint: no, it doesn't, and no, it doesn't.)? Wow, I'm impressed! :rolleyes: My configuration: Many hopelessly outdated SMP boxen. Any system which is shipping is already obsolete! u r lame if u insist on trying 2 b l337 by abbrev evythng u type when asking ppl 4 hlp. kiddie speak is teh sux. ppl. plz stop teh kiddie speak. thx. hint: aol kiddie speak is not cool, it just makes people not want to read your post.

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#35030 Posted on: 03/08/2005 02:32 AM Code running on a G5 can just use 64-bit math as it likes, and if programs can't use 64-bit address space, please explain how Photoshop can use all 8 GB? Oberon - Dual P166 - 256 MB Hurricane - Dual Itanium 733 - 1 GB Celestia - Dual Itanium 2 1.4 GHz - 2 GB Titania - Dual 1.6GHz Athlon MP - 2 GB Gladiator2 - I7 920 - 6 GB

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#35031 Posted on: 03/08/2005 03:26 AM Originally posted by KimVette Ah, so it magically gives 64-bit address space and floating point math to all of your current 32-bit apps No, it doesn't. And neither does Windows or any other operating system. Can you guess why? Hint: the answer is in your question (I underlined it): because they are "32-bit apps". But does it let you run 64-bit apps? Why, yes, it does, as you would know if you had ever used one (or even looked around the net for some information before talking out of your ass). Oh, and floating-point maths already uses more than 64 bits (even on 32-bit CPUs), as you would know if you had a clue about programming. Originally posted by KimVette Whoop-de-shit, it didn't solve memory management limitations, improve the ability to compute larger numbers more easily, or do much else for that matter. The fact that you picked those examples shows you don't have a clue about OS X running on G5. Care to explain exactly what 64-bit capabilities you miss in OS X? Originally posted by KimVette Oh, and to answer your question: Aside from administering OS/X server, repairing G5s, configuring render farms, no, I haven't used a G5. :rolleyes: If that is actually true, I feel sorry for the people whose G5 systems you "administer" and "configure render farms" for (who in their right mind uses G5 render farms, anyway?). P.S. - Considering you're such an experienced and busy Mac admin, I guess you were a bit confused when you wrote in the "systems used" field of your EX5Tech profile the following (and I quote): "PC / Mac / Other (specify): PCs (macs? Are you NUTS?), iPAQ" And since your last post there was on January 2005, I guess you must have become a Mac admin through some really great 1-month crash course... I.G.

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#35032 Posted on: 03/08/2005 09:05 AM That I work with Macs doesn't mean I have to like them - just like I have to use Windows, but dislike a lot of things about Windows. *shrug* You're coming across as an elitist jerk - nothing more. Who uses Macs in render farms? Maya users who also happen to be Mac fanatics but are deathly afraid of *nix and hate Windows. My configuration: Many hopelessly outdated SMP boxen. Any system which is shipping is already obsolete! u r lame if u insist on trying 2 b l337 by abbrev evythng u type when asking ppl 4 hlp. kiddie speak is teh sux. ppl. plz stop teh kiddie speak. thx. hint: aol kiddie speak is not cool, it just makes people not want to read your post.

Insp. Gadget Aspiring Duallie Posts: 89 Joined: 2003-04-17

#35033 Posted on: 03/08/2005 10:28 AM Originally posted by KimVette *shrug* You're coming across as an elitist jerk - nothing more. Oh, yes, I guess that argument settles it, then. You post a load of nonsense about a platform you clearly don't know the first thing about, and when I point that out, "I come across as an elitist jerk", so obviously that validates everything you said. QED. :rolleyes: I.G.

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