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I thought everyone should take a minute today to reflect on the events of the last two years. It was about this time two years ago that we all started listening to the radio, watching TV, or watching a webcast (in my case) to see what was going on in New York.

I watched in horror as the World Trade Center eventually collapsed, killing thousands of innocent people. I can't forget how I felt... I don't want to forget how I felt.

So. Take a minute this morning to remember all those that died innocently two years ago today, and also remember those that are still dying in defense of freedom, here and abroad.

Hooz Administrator Posts: 2337 Joined: 2000-03-29

#24496 Posted on: 09/11/2003 07:22 PM A week from today (September 18th) marks the two year anniversary of me losing my job... Almost exactly two weeks before my first mortgage payment on the new house. It's been a rough two years but here I am, sitting in my house, reflecting back on it all. It's humbling knowing that as tough as the last two years have been for me it has been a lot worse for a lot of other people. [size=1][url="http://www.2cpu.com"]2CPU.com[/url] - Because two are always better than one! Are you folding? [url="http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=3074"]2CPU.com Folding@Home Team[/url] [url="http://www.heatware.com/eval.php?id=19979"]My Heatware[/url][/size]

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#24497 Posted on: 09/11/2003 09:55 PM It has been a rough 2 years... I remember that morning... I saw the first tower collapse live on CNN. (I then had to leave for work) I remember sitting at work, trying to find information on the internet - cnn.com was so busy that all photo's where removed so that web pages would load... That morning the phone didnt ring once, nor did a single customer come in... I spent a good part of the day in shock... I rushed home after work, to catch CNN replaying the events... Thier was serous economic blows delt accross the country and accross the economy. My mom, who sells life insurance, had every single appointment cancell for a month (or more) after the attack, and even to this day her buisiness hasnt recovered to the same level as before the attack, and like you, the week before the attack, she purchased a new car... I dont think I sold a PC for the rest of the month, but things recovered eventually... It was a trying time for a lot of poeple then. The economic hardship suffered by almost everyone, pales in comparison to those who live in NYC, and of coarce to those who lost family that day. Iam often embarassed by the actions of my government, today is no exception, Our PM (canada) has no public events schedualled for today, while the leader of the oposition will attend a service at the eternal flame on parliment hill. Hopefully the current PM will be replaced with a man with the sence to know that a kind word of support means alot to poeple in hard times...

voltron Master Dualie Posts: 1254 Joined: 2000-12-22

#24498 Posted on: 09/11/2003 11:05 PM I remember being woken up by my radio alarm clock and hearing that a plane had hit the tower and turning it off and going to bed thinking it was some bad joke. I woke up later to learn it was real and felt bad. I called my dad whom told me my cousin and his fiance where in NY and she had just barley made it out of tower 2. I emailed my college president to organize a blood drive to donate blood for the first time (type 0-). MSI K8N Neo2-F, bios 1B | 3800 64 X2 | 2x512MB Kingston 2700 cas 2.5 unbuff | 3950U2D | 10K 70GB | ATI Radeon 800XL 256MB AGP | Viewsonic VX800 | Audigy2 | 3Com 10/100 | Mad Dog Surepower 550Watts | Windows XP Prof SP2.

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#24499 Posted on: 09/12/2003 05:59 AM I remember bringing up a 2000 server and hitting the net for the usuall updates. Of course it hit MSN and I saw the First tower burning. i thought Geez thats some fire. Then I started reading and it hit home. I was sick. It still gives me a feeling in the pit of my stomach. I remember watching Fox news and seeing them come down. It brought a tear to my eye. I will never forget............ Dell E1705 | 4GB Ram | 160GB 7200rpm | Nvidia 7800 | Running Debian Testing Dell Mini 9 | 2GB Ram | 32 GB Runcore | BT | Webcam | Running Ubuntu 9.04

timekills Satellite rider Posts: 527 Joined: 2000-08-17

#24500 Posted on: 09/12/2003 06:31 AM Thank goodness bin Laden is still out there saying how proud he is of the psychos that feel that killing someone just because he or she is an American is a good thing. He just reminded again of why I joined the Army more than 10 years ago. What amazes me is to this day we have people in this country who believe we are too aggressive in our anti/counter-terrorism defense. Any country that willing harbors terrorists that have repeatedly stated their sole reason for living is to kill Americans is an enemy. Bottom line. There is no excuse for actively targeting random people no matter what you think their government stands for. I may not agree with your opinion, but I will defend to the death your right to express it.

duraid SMP Qualified Posts: 387 Joined: 2002-03-31

#24501 Posted on: 09/12/2003 07:53 AM Originally posted by timekills There is no excuse for actively targeting random people no matter what you think their government stands for. You know, if every American was as honourable as your good self and genuinely felt the same way, september 11 would never have happened in the first place. Unfortunately they don't - there are some americans who HATE arabs every bit as much as Osama hates americans and you have only yourselves to blame for voting these people into power (think: paul wolfowitz). It sucks that America doesn't have compulsory voting, or Gore would have made it in and we probably wouldn't have to live in such a depressing world. Long story short... sorry to say it, but by putting Bush in power, you basically "asked for it". And as long as he stays there, you'll bear the brunt of further terrorist acts. ******* bring back Clinton already, I say.

ShadowHawk Ghost in the Machine Posts: 110 Joined: 2001-03-18

#24502 Posted on: 09/12/2003 08:55 AM That morning two years ago my girlfriend and I woke up late (she'd taken the day off to meet her parents at the airport) flipped on the TV to the 24 hour local news as we always do for the weather, and watched in disbelief as the towers burned and smoked. I later was so thankful that she'd taken the day off (she always walked through the World Trade Center lobby coming up through the catacombs under it from her subway) I was reeling from joy that she was beside me and horror at the lives lost and scarred as it all sunk in. I'll never forget the thousands of innocents -- a couple of people I'd known, some were the loved ones of people I knew -- who just went to work one morning and were cut down by hateful fanatics. As to any and all anti-American "you asked for it" remarks, God bless you that you're convinced you live a better life. My less generous comments I'll save for a less honored day. Workstation: Tyan S2927-E | 2x AMD Opteron 2222 | 4x 2GB 667 DDR2 | 2.3 TB HD Storage | Radeon HD 4870 1GB | NEC 16xDVD/CD Burner | TDK 32xCD Burner

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#24503 Posted on: 09/12/2003 08:03 PM Anyone who lives his (or her) life trying not to hate anyone else is living a better life, or at least a more honourable one, than those who do not.

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#24504 Posted on: 09/12/2003 11:18 PM I don't suppose you post a message on the anniversary of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, etc., do you...? And I don't suppose that when you mention "those that are still dying in defense of freedom" you're referring to the ones protecting their countries from foreign "liberation" by american and european troops, right? It must be great to live in a simple world where "we" (whoever "we" happen to be) are the good guys.

PanzerMKZ Antique Dually Posts: 638 Joined: 2003-08-29

#24505 Posted on: 09/13/2003 09:33 AM Originally posted by World Citizen I don't suppose you post a message on the anniversary of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, etc., do you...? And I don't suppose that when you mention "those that are still dying in defense of freedom" you're referring to the ones protecting their countries from foreign "liberation" by american and european troops, right? It must be great to live in a simple world where "we" (whoever "we" happen to be) are the good guys. There are many excuses for the city's above the one I put for is death to end death.

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#24506 Posted on: 09/13/2003 05:09 PM Originally posted by duraid Unfortunately they don't - there are some americans who HATE arabs every bit as much as Osama hates americans and you have only yourselves to blame for voting these people into power The excuse for the twin towers attack was the US support of Israel, not because of our actions toward arabs. There is no valid reason for the terrorist attack. Any insinuation of the fault being ours is an insult to any free nation. Apparenty your one of the bad guys. Athlon3800+ X2dualcoreMSI@2.6ghz, 2xXP1700Asus, 2x2100Asus

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#24507 Posted on: 09/13/2003 05:14 PM Originally posted by World Citizen I don't suppose you post a message on the anniversary of Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, etc., do you...? And I don't suppose that when you mention "those that are still dying in defense of freedom" you're referring to the ones protecting their countries from foreign "liberation" by american and european troops, right? Hiroshima, Nagasaki? These are not terrorist attacks. They are the end of a horrific war in which Japan was the bad guy. We also remeber Pearl harbor. Athlon3800+ X2dualcoreMSI@2.6ghz, 2xXP1700Asus, 2x2100Asus

i_wolf labhair dom as gaelige Posts: 2097 Joined: 2002-11-19

#24508 Posted on: 09/13/2003 07:51 PM Either way death is tragic. And any loss of life should be remembered from any side. Those thousands of innocent americans and other multinationals that died in the horrific twin towers massacre deserve every ounce of rememberence as do those thousands of innocent Afghanistan people that were blow to bits by american bombs in the name of ousting the taliban during the backlash to 911... as are those thousands of innocent iraqi people that were blown to pieces in the name of ousting an evil dictator and weapons of mass destruction (which have never been found) as are the many american heroes that dies during pearl harbour. Hung like a donkey. Go like a horse!

AntiBasic The Digital Janitor Posts: 271 Joined: 2002-09-12

#24509 Posted on: 09/14/2003 02:04 AM It sucks that America doesn't have compulsory voting, or Gore would have made it in and we probably wouldn't have to live in such a depressing world. Shut your conformist rebel mouth. Did you know that Al-Qaeda's plan if Gump was elected was to assasinate him? That way we would have Lieberman for president, who is jewish, and could be used to fan the flames for a real jihad. Yeah compulsory voting, real democratic. That is so childish. We're here to remember the lives lost on September 11th and reflect on impact on our lives; not listen to your infantile ramblings. Go back under the bridge from which you came. My friend's brother was an FDNY firefighter who lost his life on that day. None of us knew what to say to him the next time we saw him. Giving everyone an equal chance when they're clearly not equal is called what kids? COMMUNISM!

nipster NOT a WarMonger Posts: 1841 Joined: 2001-09-12

#24510 Posted on: 09/14/2003 02:14 AM Originally posted by timekills What amazes me is to this day we have people in this country who believe we are too aggressive in our anti/counter-terrorism defense. being overly agressive is one thing, the unfounded invasion and occupation of 2 soverign nations is a whole different story. I have no problem with the CIA and government covertly going after terrorists in their element. I have no problem with even destroying their lairs, covertly. But this wholesale invasion practice is just uncalled for, unfounded and is not right. We as americans should be ashamed with how this current puppet regime of GW bush is running this country into the ground Any country that willing harbors terrorists that have repeatedly stated their sole reason for living is to kill Americans is an enemy where do you draw the line?? truth be know, there are people in every country in the world that hate americans, we cannot destroy the whole world the whole "you are either with us or against us is such crap the war on terror, whatever that may be, is NOT a blank check to destroy and kill

AntiBasic The Digital Janitor Posts: 271 Joined: 2002-09-12

#24511 Posted on: 09/14/2003 07:26 AM as are those thousands of innocent iraqi people that were blown to pieces You're forgetting those thousands of innocent people, all who weren't Americans, killed on September 11th. You're right, every soldier in Iraq right now is killing as many civilians as possible. You need to realize that every practical step is being taken to avoid civilian casualties. It is tied to war. You need to get slapped back into reality and see that it tied to all war. being overly agressive is one thing, the unfounded invasion and occupation of 2 soverign nations is a whole different story. I have no problem with the CIA and government covertly going after terrorists in their element. I have no problem with even destroying their lairs, covertly. But this wholesale invasion practice is just uncalled for, unfounded and is not right. We as americans should be ashamed with how this current puppet regime of GW bush is running this country into the ground So you favor killing in the dark but not outright killing? That is hypocritical. You have to understand that Afghanistan is hardly a nation. It is a collection of tribes in what can hardly be called a sovreign nation. My tribe has all these lands up till those mountains. Past those mountains is another tribe with their lands. This is almost identical to the clan system that Scotland had until England changed it. You're applying the western ideology of what a nation is to where it clearly doesn't belong. Puppet governemnt? Wow, talk about being a reckless demagogue. According to a Professor Richard Hofstadter in his paper entitled The Paranoid Style In American Politics, he writes that paranoid political movements appear cyclically in American History "In times of crisis, small conspiracy groups suddenly gain mass following" and that '"They appeal to people looking for simple answers to complex problems. The use of scapegoats is common to these movements." Interestingly, if you listen to the claims from both far right wingers (Pat Robertson) and the likes of Nipster, their diatribes sound awfully familiar. They rant about the need to clean up big money, to get rid of special interest groups in Washington, the overwhelming sham of the popular media, and the need to take care of America's problems first before worrying about the rest of the world. It's a little scary when you realize one fanatic is as bad as another. Nipster is just as much of hate monger as he claims George W. Bush to be, a foolishly informed one at that. Iraq has had 16 years to clean up their act and follow the rules of Resolution 1441 and other UN Resolutions. I find it amusing that after 9/11 the conspiracy theorists amongst us claimed that George W. knew that we were going to get attacked and did nothing about it, yet now they can't possibly imagine that perhaps the government knows more about Iraq than it has told us. They love to blow with the wind and take whatever side fits their paranoid argument. If there's one thing that makes me mad, it's when people say the war is all about oil. And WW2 was actually about precision German engineering, not the evil dictator Hitler. It makes a nice scapegoat, but in a little place I like to call reality, nobody really goes to war to lower the price of oil...even if it WOULD be cheaper without Saddam Insane in charge. First of all, we only get a whopping 5% of our oil from Iraq, while France, for example, gets 45% Second, do you honestly think that we are the kind of nation that will take over a country and simply steal all their natural rescources? If you do, then you're an idiot. The oil Iraq has is the best hope they have for forming a succesfull economy after they are liberated and, hopefully, become a Republic. You're right. This isn't a war on terrorism; ts a war on fundamentalist Islam. We are draining the swamp. Stop stroking your own ego for once. This is why I never talk about politics online, its a giant waste of time where extremists and lunatics like nipster here congregate. They've got their mind so focused on something their ignore the truth just like the communists. So rather than this being a little memorial if you will about those killed on September 11th, these lunatic lefties come out of the woodwork to disseminate their sophistry. Very immature. Giving everyone an equal chance when they're clearly not equal is called what kids? COMMUNISM!

nipster NOT a WarMonger Posts: 1841 Joined: 2001-09-12

#24512 Posted on: 09/14/2003 10:31 AM Originally posted by AntiBasic You're forgetting those thousands of innocent people, all who weren't Americans, killed on September 11th. no, im not forgetting anything. BESIDES, the point here is that these people we are killing in iraq had nothing to do with sept. 11... but lets ignore the facts, lets continue this jihad against the middle east So you favor killing in the dark but not outright killing? That is hypocritical. I favor killing of the TERRORISTS, not innocent people, their homes, their nations infrastructure, etc, etc... there is a distinction here, and this distinction has not been made. What is hypocritical is testifying before the UN that there are X litres of botulism, x litres of anthrax, etc in iraq, and then, here 6-7 months later, not a DROP of chemical weapons has been found. Hypocritical or just LYING, you decide... You have to understand that Afghanistan is hardly a nation. It is a collection of tribes in what can hardly be called a sovreign nation. so that gives us the reason to go in and invade them? Well, wait a minute, it was good enough of an excuse with the AMERICAN INDIANS so I guess it is good enough for afghanistan... You're applying the western ideology of what a nation is to where it clearly doesn't belong. Puppet governemnt? Wow, talk about being a reckless demagogue. so, then why is this administration putting puppet governments into place in afghanistan? It is not working. Hamid Karzai is nothing but a puppet. I am shocked he has not been killed yet. I know this administration is not the smartest, but to invade countries with no exit plan or post-war reconstruction plan in place, MONTHS later is wreckless, and in the long run seeds more anti-US sentiment... According to a Professor Richard Hofstadter in his paper entitled The Paranoid Style In American Politics, he writes that paranoid political movements appear cyclically in American History "In times of crisis, small conspiracy groups suddenly gain mass following" and that '"They appeal to people looking for simple answers to complex problems. The use of scapegoats is common to these movements." wow, this fits GW' to a T... if not for 9-11 people would be after his ass for the shape this country is in domestically, but he is hiding behind the shield of 9-11 Interestingly, if you listen to the claims from both far right wingers (Pat Robertson) and the likes of Nipster, their diatribes sound awfully familiar. no, not even close. The only 2 things we have in common is that we are human beings. I assure you of that... They rant about the need to clean up big money, to get rid of special interest groups in Washington, the overwhelming sham of the popular media, and the need to take care of America's problems first before worrying about the rest of the world. It's a little scary when you realize one fanatic is as bad as another. big money and special intrests ARE part of the problem DOMESTICALLY, but I though this was a discussion of 9-11... are you that blind that you think these megacorporations actually are helpful to the american way of life? Nipster is just as much of hate monger as he claims George W. Bush to be, a foolishly informed one at that. Iraq has had 16 years to clean up their act and follow the rules of Resolution 1441 and other UN Resolutions. I am a hate monger why again?? I see a label attached and no backup to that statement. I am a hatemonger because of why? because I am pro-peace? wow, that really makes sense... I find it amusing that after 9/11 the conspiracy theorists amongst us claimed that George W. knew that we were going to get attacked and did nothing about it actually I do not believe they knew... im not that synical You're right. This isn't a war on terrorism; ts a war on fundamentalist Islam. We are draining the swamp. Stop stroking your own ego for once. so it is ok for christians to "jihad" but it is not ok for islam or any other religion to "jihad"?? fascinatingly hypocritical I must say... This is why I never talk about politics online, its a giant waste of time where extremists and lunatics like nipster here congregate. They've got their mind so focused on something their ignore the truth just like the communists. wow, and I thought it was possibly because you didnt want to be laughed off stage or something... extreme lunatics like me, yea buddy... look in the mirror mr JIHAD oh, and i was waiting for the communist label... you know when a conservative has completely lost any sort of rational arguement when they label you a communist, how very MCCARTHYist of you So rather than this being a little memorial if you will about those killed on September 11th, these lunatic lefties come out of the woodwork to disseminate their sophistry. Very immature. its all about the children, save the children

ShadowHawk Ghost in the Machine Posts: 110 Joined: 2001-03-18

#24513 Posted on: 09/14/2003 02:28 PM Originally posted by ShadowHawk ...My less generous comments I'll save for a less honored day. The day having past, I say to those incredulous that some feel that the horror visited upon thousands of families two years ago September 11th was in some way deserved: Don Workstation: Tyan S2927-E | 2x AMD Opteron 2222 | 4x 2GB 667 DDR2 | 2.3 TB HD Storage | Radeon HD 4870 1GB | NEC 16xDVD/CD Burner | TDK 32xCD Burner

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#24514 Posted on: 09/14/2003 06:38 PM I am a democrat and would rather have Al Gore in office. That said, I support Bush fully in the fight against terrorism. He is fighting back against the enemies of the US and ultimately the enemies of the free non-fundamentalist Muslim world. It has been messy and heart breaking but someone had to do something. If we had done this with the Nazis before they took over europe then there would be millions of Jewish people that would not have been murdered without any reason. The massive casualties of the war itself would have been dramatically reduced. Righteous indignation about war has killed more people than war itself in the past century. Thanks a lot nipster!!!! Athlon3800+ X2dualcoreMSI@2.6ghz, 2xXP1700Asus, 2x2100Asus

imposter nope, it's not me Posts: 379 Joined: 2001-12-10

#24515 Posted on: 09/14/2003 09:17 PM I think politics probably shouldn't be discussed in this particular online forum - despite having topics related to them posted on the front page (no offense Hooz, though maybe a little addition about how people shouldn't run off and rant about terrorism and American politics would have been a good idea). It's far easier for a community of diverse people to stay a community when they don't know what each other really believes in. That said, none of the criticisms of nipster's comments have been valid. Probably another good reason why politics shouldn't be debated in this forum, those who wish to do so don't seem to be up to the task. I'm not saying he's right, but if you want to prove him wrong you'll have to do better. Although, due to what I said above, I think it's best if you don't try.

64026402 Break it fix it guy Posts: 671 Joined: 2002-03-11

#24516 Posted on: 09/14/2003 09:54 PM This wasn't a political discussion until some idiots started blaming the US for the Trade center terrorist act. It is hard to stay civil around such people. Athlon3800+ X2dualcoreMSI@2.6ghz, 2xXP1700Asus, 2x2100Asus

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#24517 Posted on: 09/14/2003 10:01 PM Originally posted by AntiBasic Shut your conformist rebel mouth. Did you know that Al-Qaeda's plan if Gump was elected was to assasinate him? That way we would have Lieberman for president, who is jewish, and could be used to fan the flames for a real jihad. Yeah compulsory voting, real democratic. That is so childish. We're here to remember the lives lost on September 11th and reflect on impact on our lives; not listen to your infantile ramblings. Go back under the bridge from which you came. My friend's brother was an FDNY firefighter who lost his life on that day. None of us knew what to say to him the next time we saw him. I think mandatory voting is a good idea. Provided they add the line "none of the above" to the ballot. Austrailia does this. (If you dont vote, your fined 1 days wage, at minimum wage, the funds goto pay down the debt) I wonder how often incumbants would lose to "none of the above"? I dont think mandatory voting would have changed the outcome of the election one bit... Perhaps Pat and Ralph would have done better because normal non voters would have protested the 'establishment' parties...

nipster NOT a WarMonger Posts: 1841 Joined: 2001-09-12

#24518 Posted on: 09/15/2003 05:38 AM Originally posted by Mr. Microsuck So, no...civilians don't deserve to get attacked, but unfortunately we can expect that it might happen to us, since we use the tactic ourselves....

princess Registered User Posts: 704 Joined: 2003-03-05

#24519 Posted on: 09/16/2003 10:20 AM Excuse me, this is a thread of remembrance for all of those affected by the tragic events of September 11th. Please try to give a moment of silence and reflect and remember those who suffered most. ...stupid, shiny volvo owner... - Bella Swan

imposter nope, it's not me Posts: 379 Joined: 2001-12-10

#24520 Posted on: 09/16/2003 04:23 PM I think you missed the point these people are getting at. How do you determine which people have been affected most? Is it necessarily only Americans who are worthy of consideration, just because you happen to be one as well? These people are trying to do exactly what you suggest, but they're offering a different viewpoint on exactly who has suffered most. Has it been the victims of the collapse of the twin towers, or the many more innocent civilians who have been killed in the wars Bush started since that day? Besides, most of the conversation took place after september 11.

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